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**Official** New Zealand in Australia 2015

thundaboult

International Debutant
When was Lee's peak in terms of pace? From what I remember in the 2005 and 06/07 Ashes, he was definitely more of a high 80s guy than low 90s.
His fastest ball was recorded in late 2005 but from what I remember, never saw him bowl faster than he did at the 03 WC. Touching 155 every over with ease many times. He was fit, 27, young in his prime and on rythm. Bond as well bowled the fastest I ever saw him bowl as well in that same WC...deadlier than lee too overall. Swing and accuracy combined with borderline express pace.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
I was thinking Shoaib Akhtar was the only one ever to have bowled faster than 100 miles/h (161 km/h)?

Anyway, I think there's loads of rather not-so-officially calibrated ways to determine speed. Andy Roberts' 40 year old record doesn't really tell us that much, I guess.
Shoaib, Tait and Lee all broke the barrier but in ODIs.
 

Howe_zat

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I was thinking Shoaib Akhtar was the only one ever to have bowled faster than 100 miles/h (161 km/h)?

Anyway, I think there's loads of rather not-so-officially calibrated ways to determine speed. Andy Roberts' 40 year old record doesn't really tell us that much, I guess.
not really, other than out of 40 years of trying no one has had a reading like that, which is pretty special
 

Riggins

International Captain
not really, other than out of 40 years of trying no one has had a reading like that, which is pretty special
Yeah it's crazy that they had a dodgy speed gun 40 years ago, then used a legit one for 40 years, and now have gone back to the dodgy one. Those quicks in the stolen generation got duped.
 

Stapel

International Regular
Yeah it's crazy that they had a dodgy speed gun 40 years ago, then used a legit one for 40 years, and now have gone back to the dodgy one. Those quicks in the stolen generation got duped.
My point was merely that nowhere in sports a properly calibrated speed gun has ever been used. Maybe I'm too cynical about it.
 

kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
Superb day for the BCs. A real relief for me after getting thumped for 6 days straight.

Taylor within reach of becoming the greatest batsman in NZ history imo. I expect that Williamson will pass him but right now Crowe and Taylor are about equal. Perhaps Taylor to glance ahead if he goes past 299 tomorrow.
 

Bahnz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Superb day for the BCs. A real relief for me after getting thumped for 6 days straight.

Taylor within reach of becoming the greatest batsman in NZ history imo. I expect that Williamson will pass him but right now Crowe and Taylor are about equal. Perhaps Taylor to glance ahead if he goes past 299 tomorrow.
Nah, not even close. Statistically they're similar, but Crowe played in a much tougher era for batsmen, has a much stronger away record, and spent a decade as one of the top two or three batsmen in the world (along with AB and Miandad). His career stats were scarred by being picked way too young, and basically having to bat on one leg for the last 18 months of his test career. Taylor's very, very good but he's not really close to Crowe.
 

Spikey

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hard for taylor to become the greatest kiwi batsman ever when he's not the best batsman in the team. no offence ross
 

kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
Nah, not even close. Statistically they're similar, but Crowe played in a much tougher era for batsmen, has a much stronger away record, and spent a decade as one of the top two or three batsmen in the world (along with AB and Miandad). His career stats were scarred by being picked way too young, and basically having to bat on one leg for the last 18 months of his test career. Taylor's very, very good but he's not really close to Crowe.
Yeah, good points. I maintain that Taylor is underrated though.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
I can't help but think the 160.4 was a misread (especially since I'm pretty sure Lyon clocked 140km/h earlier on, and Matt Henry had a rogue 170km/h reading earlier on in the Test). I mean, Morne Morkel apparenly bowled 175 in an IPL game...
 

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
I can't help but think the 160.4 was a misread (especially since I'm pretty sure Lyon clocked 140km/h earlier on, and Matt Henry had a rogue 170km/h reading earlier on in the Test). I mean, Morne Morkel apparenly bowled 175 in an IPL game...
160.4 looks achievable though (esp for starc) and realistic among these others
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
160.4 looks achievable though (esp for starc) and realistic among these others
Yeah, which I imagine is why no media outlet is reporting Matt "The 170km/h Man" Henry or "OMG that Lyon ball was 140km/h". Starc hitting 160 is legitimately believable (and I imagine he'll do it one day in an ODI or T20).

I just don't quite think that ball was a solid 4-5km/h above the rest of the spell. Obviously I'm making a bit of a "Dan's Eyes > Actual Evidence" argument that always sucks wrt Hawkeye, but if they're using the same methodology to determine speed here that they did in the Morkel case, I'm pretty skeptical of it (that link cites Hawkeye as using two frames to determine speed-at-release, so...)
 

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