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India's Upcoming Batsman - How do you rate them?

Who will be the Best Test Batsman?


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cnerd123

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For the decade 2000-2009? Sure.

Career wise? No. That's just being silly.
Yea that's another way to look at it - do you choose to evaluate by career, or by the peaks reached? Wouldn't call someone silly if they believed in evaluating by the latter, even if I wouldn't do that.

We should have held a sweepstake to see how long it would take till Joni had a Waaah in this thread.
 

OverratedSanity

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Yes agree but the question isn't whether Kohli is using his potential. Its whether he is better than Pujara and Rahane.

Pujara who didn't show up in Australia and Rahane who can't score a run in his home country, God love him.

He's better than them, and he's not even gotten to his potential yet. That lack of achievement of his potential resulted in 4 tons in 4 tests in Australia.
Rahane has literally played like 2 matches at home.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Well it is not about the stats Teja. Rahane is technically proficient but there are lose ends in his game like Spark mentioned. It is important to get these out of the way. Manjrekar was technically proficient and he made some centuries which were great from all accords but it did not translate into a full career. While I hope nothing of the sort happens with Rahane it is still early days.
Rahane has played very few tests right now with a bit of success but not a lot, which is okay for some one starting off. The thing is, I don't like how he plays strokes on balls which are way wide of the off stump. This is a deficiency which is bound to be exploited by people and puts him a notch below Kohli and Pujara atm. Maybe, as he improves, I will put him up higher. This is how it stands for me atm.
Pujara 7
Kohli 7
Rohit Sharma 3
Raina 2
Vijay 6
Rahane 5
Mukund 4
Rahul 5
Rayudu 5
Last update was in December.

Pujara 7 (7)
Vijay 7 (6)
Rahane 6 (5)
Kohli 5 (7)
Rahul 4 (5)
Karun Nair 4
Rayudu 4 (5) (I doubt he is in consideration for tests though)
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Rohit Sharma 2.5 (3)
Raina 1 (2)
Mukund ? (haven't seen him in a year)

- Rahane has improved tremendously. He has cut down on strokes outside off stump which was his main weakness. I have high hopes from him now. Such a student of the game.
- Kohli scores poorly not because it's bad form. There are technical issues. He attempts to reach balls way outside off stump. Kohli's 'reach' as a batsman is generally better than what the reach is for others. This is generally quite good for any player but his goes much further which is not great at all. He also doesn't defend too much, almost always 'pushing' at balls. I would like to see more of the clean defensive strokes. There is an obvious issue identifying the line of the ball at times as well. Notice how he tried to play the ball to leg side, the ball hit the edge and popped to a catch in the off side in the last game. Kohli has talent but these are areas he needs to work at seriously.
- I would rate Pujara 7.5 even but I resist. Hopefully he has a terrific year and can go higher up.
- Vijay has improved so much over the past 2-3 years.
- Rahul is a bit green but I have high hopes from him. Same with Karun Nair. If any thing, Nair is showing a fair bit of maturity. Can bowl a bit too. I hope he gets a chance in the test team soon. There are other young players I have hopes from. There is a fair bit of young talent now in the domestic circuit where batting is concerned and the good part is they are being coached well in most cases.
 
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Furball

Evil Scotsman
Yea that's another way to look at it - do you choose to evaluate by career, or by the peaks reached? Wouldn't call someone silly if they believed in evaluating by the latter, even if I wouldn't do that.

We should have held a sweepstake to see how long it would take till Joni had a Waaah in this thread.
If you're evaluating by peaks then Tendulkar is still better ffs.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
You can make a case for Dravid > Sachin in Tests. Depends what you put weight on. You can say its harder to bat at 3, and that Dravid had more match winning/match saving performances.
Dravid is under rated for tests by most. He has the best average for Indians outside Asia, even higher than Gavaskar and Tendulkar by a point or two. He wasn't bad in Asia either. He was a tremendous player whom we will appreciate more with time, I hope. Given we have had just three players of this level certainly since Hazare retired (I can't rate Hazare fairly), I wonder how many players of this calibre we will have in the next decade or two. I would have no issues with any one rating Dravid higher than Tendulkar in tests.
 

OverratedSanity

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Haha I was about to unleash on your use of the word 'literally' then I checked statsguru. How the **** has that happened?
Our last home series was the Tendulkar farewell vs WI. After that it's been one brutal away series after another. We were finally scheduled to play a home series in late 2014 again vs westwest indies but that got scrapped after their farcical player revolt situation.

Rahane probably does prefer pacy pitches to low and slow ones but saying he doesn't play well at home is ridiculously premature considering he's barely had a chance to do so anyway.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
@os Rahane averages nearly 60 in FC cricket, most of which is at home. There won't be issues with Rahane at home. Don't ask me how do I know. I know.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Bloke also just got made captain too at 27. Bloke also just got made captain too at 27. Ishant has been given like one task, just bowl full. And he couldn't do it for 7 years until recently.
This (bolded part) is a good point over all. Batting is a technical thing. One cannot learn every thing in an instant. Kohli is just 27. Kohli is a terrific ODI player but in tests, he is still learning the ropes. What annoys me is when people start putting Kohli on a pedestal which he has not achieved yet. Technical issues in batting (I have highlighted a few in my previous post) don't get solved over night. You have yourself mentioned Ishant Sharma took 7 years to get some thing in bowling right. There is a reason he averages 44 in tests after 38 tests and not 50, say. He is still a batsman in the making as far as tests go. Whether he will end up in the bracket of Gavaskar etc or Vengsarkar etc, only time will tell.

Regarding him being given captaincy possibly effecting his batting - maybe, I don't know whether that's the reason. However the issues are of technical nature and not form related. It will take lot of time and effort to solve them.
 
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kami10

Cricket Spectator
I think pujara is best, Recently he is more improves than his old style.he rotate the strike well.Vijay has good techniques and more successful normally.others including kohl I will not say much.virat is Flat track Bully he is non predictable coz of so many reason.

RaHanes best is yet to come and rohit should drops for test matches.
 

viriya

International Captain
Does Rahane deserve a Grade A contract over Rohit? Neither of them have done much in Tests lately and Rohit is close to being India's best ODI option these days.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Does Rahane deserve a Grade A contract over Rohit? Neither of them have done much in Tests lately and Rohit is close to being India's best ODI option these days.
How has Rahane not done much in tests lately? Tonned up in Lanka.
 

cnerd123

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Contracts are based on who is most likely to perform in the coming period I think, and not mean to be reflective of past results. Going off that, I agree that Rahane is more likely to win India games than Rohit is in the coming year or so.
 

Contra

Cricketer Of The Year
And yet he's still better. He's not even full potential and he ****ing way ahead of Pujara and enough ahead of Rahane.

This ****ing debate was settled when Kohli scored 4 tons on a tour to Australia you ****ing poopheads. Stop trying to make this a debate.
LOL nah, Kohli doesn't have any claim to being considered better than either Rahane or Pujara, especially Pujara. Kohli having gunned it in Australia was awesome, but Kohli was also most likely to gun it in Australia because he prefers pace and bounce more than any other Indian batsmen. Forget about overseas, Kohli has yet to truly dominate his home country, performing overseas doesn't mean you can put in average performances at home.

Does Kohli have the potential to be the best of the lot? Definitely
Would I personally back Kohli to be the best of the lot? Yes, although the others will be close behind him
Is Kohli currently the best of the lot? Debatable at best
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Ha @ suggestion of Dravid > Tendulkar for tests in any way.

Interesting debate here among some about who is IND best currently batsman - surprised its even a discussion actually. That point I see Jono make is what I would say as well, thought it was pretty straight-forward that Kohli is best.
 
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cnerd123

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Ha @ suggestion of Dravid > Tendulkar for tests in any way.

Interesting debate here among some about who is IND best currently batsman - surprised its even a discussion actually. That point I see Jono make is what I would say as well, thought it was pretty straight-forward that Kohli is best.
Yea it's a pretty dull discussion isn't it. Cricket chat clearly doesn't have the same swagger that it used to...
 

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