India's Upcoming Batsman - How do you rate them?

[OverratedSanity]

Sure. That doesn't mean he still isn't the best of the 3. This might sound harsh, but I think they've all been slightly disappointing in some ways.

 

[harsh.ag]

Kohli throws it away far too often imo. We accuse Sharma of being lazy and casual and not fulfilling his talent but Kohli's arguably more guilty of that.

It's not that he is casual or lazy, but that he plays too many shots, esp of the difficult kind, too early. Can almost be said that too much self belief is his problem.

Best batsman of the three though. Pujara = Rahane.

 

[cnerd123]

Kohli's adapted to foreign conditions way better than Pujara.

1) Note that I said 'difficult batting' conditions and not 'foreign' conditions. For sake of debate use 'difficult' conditions to refer to conditions that don't suit their style of batting (so Pujara playing spin in Asia is akin to Kohli playing pace in Aus).

2) Either way I disagree. As far as I recall Kohli only beasted it in Oz and Pujara was better than him in SA and SL while they both sucked in England. The impression I have right now is that Pujara is able to graft ugly runs, but Kohli plays too forcefully and gets out in soft manners. But my memory could be failing me. Can someone statsguru their overseas records plz?

I agree WRT Kohli being the most talented and to all 3 of them having different strengths and styles. I actually think Rahane is better suited to 3 than Pujara in every way except temperament lol. Pujara wins it over Kohli and Rahane atm for his ability to spend time in the middle regularly, regardless of conditions and the kind of form he is in.

 

[Howe_zat]

1) Note that I said 'difficult batting' conditions and not 'foreign' conditions. For sake of debate use 'difficult' conditions to refer to conditions that don't suit their style of batting (so Pujara playing spin in Asia is akin to Kohli playing pace in Aus).

that in itself is remarkable though.

not least because Kohli also has a ton in every series he's played in Asia

Reckon Kohli will be remembered as the best batsman from this generation, Indian or otherwise. That's partly because people conflate ODI and Test success in hindsight but so do I so **** it

 

[Daemon]

Sure. That doesn't mean he still isn't the best of the 3. This might sound harsh, but I think they've all been slightly disappointing in some ways.

Never said that.

It's not that he is casual or lazy, but that he plays too many shots, esp of the difficult kind, too early. Can almost be said that too much self belief is his problem.

Best batsman of the three though. Pujara = Rahane.

Yeah, this is probably more accurate but it's what I meant when I said 'casual'.

 

[cnerd123]

that in itself is remarkable though.

not least because Kohli also has a ton in every series he's played in Asia

Reckon Kohli will be remembered as the best batsman from this generation, Indian or otherwise. That's partly because people conflate ODI and Test success in hindsight but so do I so **** it

This has been said before, but it looks like we're going to remember Kohli the way we remembered Sachin (the best batsman of the generation), Pujara like Dravid (arguably a better Test batsman but overlooked because not flashy enough and doesn't have a gun ODI record) and Rahane like VVS (capable of playing magical innings in all conditions when the team needs it the most, but not having the same weight of runs as the first two).

 

[harsh.ag]

This has been said before, but it looks like we're going to remember Kohli the way we remembered Sachin (the best batsman of the generation), Pujara like Dravid (arguably a better Test batsman but overlooked because not flashy enough and doesn't have a gun ODI record) and Rahane like VVS (capable of playing magical innings in all conditions when the team needs it the most, but not having the same weight of runs as the first two).

Wut?

 

[cnerd123]

You can make a case for Dravid > Sachin in Tests. Depends what you put weight on. You can say its harder to bat at 3, and that Dravid had more match winning/match saving performances.

 

[Prince EWS]

I think you'd really struggle to find someone whose usual weightings would lead to a Dravid>Tendulkar opinion in Tests but was blinded by ODIs. The sort of people who'd give more importance to the attributes you mentioned would overlap a lot with the sort of people who'd separate Tests and ODIs properly.

 

[cnerd123]

Yea my point isn't that Dravid is better than Sachin, just that when you separate formats they are a lot closer than most people would consider, to the point where you could form a valid opinion that Dravid > Sachin (which then would need you to give greater credit to batsmen like Ponting, Hammond, Hutton, etc).

The gap between Pujara and Kohli right now, and I expect for their whole careers, will be overblown by Kohli's ODI success.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I think harsh's 'wut' was because *****'s post made it sound like Dravid was 'arguably' a better batsman than Pujara.

 

[cnerd123]

Ohhh, lol.

 

[Pratters]

Good bump. Was thinking of doing it myself. I'll get back to this later.

 

[Jono]

Kohli throws it away far too often imo. We accuse Sharma of being lazy and casual and not fulfilling his talent but Kohli's arguably more guilty of that.

And yet he's still better. He's not even full potential and he ****ing way ahead of Pujara and enough ahead of Rahane.

This ****ing debate was settled when Kohli scored 4 tons on a tour to Australia you ****ing poopheads. Stop trying to make this a debate.

 

[Jono]

Bloke also just got made captain too at 27. Ishant has been given like one task, just bowl full. And he couldn't do it for 7 years until recently.

 

[Daemon]

And yet he's still better. He's not even full potential and he ****ing way ahead of Pujara and enough ahead of Rahane.

This ****ing debate was settled when Kohli scored 4 tons on a tour to Australia you ****ing poopheads. Stop trying to make this a debate.

Never said that.

z

 

[Furball]

You can make a case for Dravid > Sachin in Tests. Depends what you put weight on. You can say its harder to bat at 3, and that Dravid had more match winning/match saving performances.

For the decade 2000-2009? Sure.

Career wise? No. That's just being silly.

 

[Furball]

And yet he's still better. He's not even full potential and he ****ing way ahead of Pujara and enough ahead of Rahane.

This ****ing debate was settled when Kohli scored 4 tons on a tour to Australia you ****ing poopheads. Stop trying to make this a debate.

You know how highly I rate Kohli, but the fact that this is even a discussion is indicative of Kohli's failings (relative to his talent) at Test level.

 

[Jono]

Yes agree but the question isn't whether Kohli is using his potential. Its whether he is better than Pujara and Rahane.

Pujara who didn't show up in Australia and Rahane who can't score a run in his home country, God love him.

He's better than them, and he's not even gotten to his potential yet. That lack of achievement of his potential resulted in 4 tons in 4 tests in Australia.

 

[Jono]

z

wahhh you misled me by just making random points and making it look like it was a reason for why Kohli wasn't as good as the others.