Australian test selection thread 2015/16

[Gnske]

Bird has fallen in the pecking order

 

[Spikey]

Bird has fallen in the pecking order

ban this sick monster

 

[social]

If I was selecting a team based on what they have shown recently

Warner
Cowan
Klinger
Smith
Voges
Henriques
Wade
Johnson
Starc
Hastings
Lyon

Big difference

 

[Dan]

Why is that re Cowan and Bird?

I get the feeling that Cowan doesn't fit with Lehmann's #intent selection philosophy, and his treatment in the 2013 Ashes didn't exactly make it look like Lehmann was a fan (+ that dismissal will probably always count against him in Boof's eyes). Bird, on the other hand, is also lacking the #intent by not bowling at 140km/h plus that Lehmann set as the minimum requirement for his fast bowlers.

 

[Spikey]

plus Bird didn't do well in England, both on the 2013 ashes tour but also the A tour the year before. such #failures will surely be put down to #intent. and when you've got cummins, pattinson etc....

 

[Dan]

I want to make a Kippax-style post about Starc being the epitome of the Lehmann selection philosophy (format doesn't matter, #intent doesn't end with the colour of a ball), with some reference to Warne's 'get angry' speech thing, but I'm not nearly clever enough to do it.

So just assume I made one and respond as such.

 

[the big bambino]

Except for "papers stamped" Cowan pretty much the side I'd like. Wonder if "papers stamped" Siddle will get in ahead of "papers should be stamped" Haze.

 

[dermo]

i like burns but from what i've seen bancroft looks much more likely to succeed as a test opener. would definitely take burns in the middle order though

 

[Spikey]

"He's a good young player, he's as tough as nails, and we all think he has got what it takes to play Test cricket," Marsh said. "But we think he's a few runs shy at the moment; he's a few hundreds shy. And we'd like to pick him when he's in sparkling form and getting first-class hundreds, that is when we'd really like to pick a young player.

god this is stupid. also remember when steve smith did like the opposite of that and got picked for india and it's probably the best decision ever

 

[Top_Cat]

Reading between the lines, I wonder whether they're worried about his technique.

 

[Gnske]

Probably, but Burns has his own issues and I dare say is hardly any better. I'd imagine the selectors are aware of that.

I can believe they don't want to experiment against the Black Caps.

 

[SeamUp]

Sometimes I do wonder why Bancroft Burns Khawaja Marsh are the chosen ones at the moment ahead of say Cowan Maddinson Ferguson Handscomb

I bet that no one (who wants Australia to win) would pick all of the first 4 bats in the frame ahead of the 4 others who aren't.

The first point is so valid.

If you ask different people, there would have been so many differing selections for these 2 spots.

No one is really sticking their hands up.

Burns' & Khawaja's spots could easily have gone to Bancroft, Cowan, S.Marsh, Klinger, Handscomb, Maddinson, Ferguson etc and there probably wouldn't be much difference in performance?

 

[NUFAN]

The first point is so valid.

If you ask different people, there would have been so many differing selections for these 2 spots.

No one is really sticking their hands up.

Burns' & Khawaja's spots could easily have gone to Bancroft, Cowan, S.Marsh, Klinger, Handscomb, Maddinson, Ferguson etc and there probably wouldn't be much difference in performance?

The no-one is sticking their hands up is a harsh call in some ways. The season has only just started - Cowan, Klinger, Handscomb all scored centuries in the First match and Ferguson almost did. Bancroft, Marsh and Maddinson all performed well in the Matador, so they've all done something that Khawaja hasn't done unless you count his tour match ton as being very significant.

 

[NUFAN]

The never played a Test for Australia XI

1. C. Bancroft
2. M. Stoinis
3. M. Klinger
4. N. Maddinson
5. C. Ferguson
6. P. Handscomb
7. S. Whiteman
8. B. Cutting
9. G. Sandhu (will have to bowl some spin)
10. J Behrendorff
11. A. Fekete

injured players like Lynn and Sayers were overlooked.

 

[SeamUp]

The no-one is sticking their hands up is a harsh call in some ways. The season has only just started - Cowan, Klinger, Handscomb all scored centuries in the First match and Ferguson almost did. Bancroft, Marsh and Maddinson all performed well in the Matador, so they've all done something that Khawaja hasn't done unless you count his tour match ton as being very significant.

I'm not just talking recent times. I'm talking over a period of time. None of them average well into the 40's in FC cricket? I may be wrong ? None of them have really said I am well better than FC cricket and I am ready to take test cricket on by the horns with really dominant performances over a period of time.

 

[Top_Cat]

Big thing in Khawaja's favour and why they're backing him I reckon is that he knows how to score tons. When he's out of touch, there fewer runs in between the hundreds but, given a good start or a bit of luck, he'll kick on. The same cannot be said about any of the other guys other than Cowan.

 

[NUFAN]

I'm not just talking recent times. I'm talking over a period of time. None of them average well into the 40's in FC cricket? I may be wrong ? None of them have really said I am well better than FC cricket and I am ready to take test cricket on by the horns with really dominant performances over a period of time.

Hey I've been meaning to do this for a while, but I think your post is a perfect reason to post some stats. I have decided to include the past 3 full seasons of Sheffield Shield Cricket and the first round of this year. I've just chosen that period as it is quite a significant amount of time and not to push a particular player or anything.

When you look at the list below, I guess you are quite right with your post although there are some standouts, You also have to take into consideration that we've had a whole change to our batting lineup and the likes of Voges, Smith and Rogers DID actually say they are too good for First Class Cricket and demanded selection - I hope you and others find this quite interesting:

Since the start of 2012-2013 Sheffield Season stats

Current Australian top 7

Smith 1147 @ 67.47 3 100s 8 50s
Voges 2594 @ 58.95 8 100s 11 50s
Warner 412 @ 45.77 1 100s 3 50s
Nevill 1668 @ 42.76 3 100s 8 50s
Burns 1975 @ 42.02 5 100s 12 50s
Khawaja 1076 @ 41.38 2 100s 6 50s
MMarsh 859 @ 30.32 0 100s 8 50s*

*Marsh has 30 wickets @ 25.10 in this period


Other state bats since the start of the 2012-2013 season (I've included two Aussie ODI mainstays in the list, mainly for the lolz)

Lynn 1026 @ 60.35 1 100 7 50s
Ferguson  2136 @ 48.54 6 100s 10 50s
Henriques 968 @ 48.40 4 100s 3 50s
Stoinis 1236 @ 47.53 1 100 12 50s
Wade 1199 @ 44.80 3 100s 8 50s
Klinger 2196 @ 43.92 7 100s 7 50s
Cowan 1765 @ 42.02 6 100s 7 50s
Carters 1345 @ 40.75 4 100s 5 50s
Quiney  1730 @ 40.23 3 100s 13 50s
SMarsh 1275 @ 39.84 5 100s 3 50s
Maxwell 666 @ 39.17 2 100s 3 50s
Handscomb 1636 @ 38.04 4 100s 11 50s
White 1364 @ 37.88 2 100s 9 50s
Cooper 1554 @ 37.00 4 100s 9 50s
Cosgrove 2053 @ 36.66 3 100s 16 50s
Christian 1005 @ 35.89 2 100s 4 50s
Forrest 1675 @ 35.63 4 100s 7 50s
Silk 1271 @ 35.30 4 100s 7 50s
Maddinson 1578 @ 35.06 2 100s 8 50s
Faulkner 789 @ 34.30 0 100s 6 50s
Whiteman 1499 @ 34.06 1 100 11 50s
Bancroft 1371 @ 33.43 3 100s 5 50s
Hartley 1463 @ 32.51 3 100s 7 50s
Head 1623 @ 31.82 0 100s 14 50s
Doolan 1492 @ 31.74 2 100s 8 50s
Bailey 755 @ 27.96 0 100s 5 50s
Finch 269 @ 15.82 0 100s 2 50s

Remember these stats are just from Sheffield Shield matches.

 

[adub]

What's Moz's bowliing figures as a comparison to MMarsh?

48 with 4 tons including a Shield final winning ton is the sort of stuff you would kill to see you no.6 batting allrounder produce.

 

[NUFAN]

What's Moz's bowliing figures as a comparison to MMarsh?

48 with 4 tons including a Shield final winning ton is the sort of stuff you would kill to see you no.6 batting allrounder produce.

Henriques 22 wickets @ 27

Just looked at Forkers:

Faulkner 50 wickets @ 24.64

 

[adub]

So Moz's numbers are even better than I thought they were. ****'s only 28 too. Really hope he can pile on some runs in the next few Shield matches in case MMarsh doesn't fire. It would suck if he was out of form if an opportunity arose.