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***Official*** South Africa in India 2015
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Pratters
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It is with 5 fielders, it was even with 4 fielders when NZ did it against India and Nathan McCullum was able to get away with bowling decent overs without getting hit. The annoying part is that it's such an obvious tactic that you would think some of the best players in the world would see it and work their way around it instead of just trying to clear the ropes regardless.
Prince EWS
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I remember England trying this in Australia with the slower ball bouncers and they just got put everywhere. It became a running forum joke for ages about how they stuck to that plan despite it not working. Shows what a difference the extra fielder can make to the tactics available.
cnerd123
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Dont think Kohli and MSD lacked urgency. They just werent able to put the ball away. The balls didnt come on as nicely when they lost their shine. MSD hasn't been able to muscle the ball away for a while now, and Kohli is no longer in peak form and struggled for timing. As a consequence the run rate slowed down.
They both could have been more proactive and tried to innovate more, or to go over the top more, take more risks. But then again they knew they had either Rahane or Raina in next, neither of whom you would trust to seal the deal atm.
So they decided to hang in there, wait for the bad ball, and hope they eventually click. The bad ball didnt come, neither did their timing, and suddenly we needed 9 RPO.
Really just a symptom of the bigger issue plaguing the ODI side - a lack of a decent lower-middle order.
They both could have been more proactive and tried to innovate more, or to go over the top more, take more risks. But then again they knew they had either Rahane or Raina in next, neither of whom you would trust to seal the deal atm.
So they decided to hang in there, wait for the bad ball, and hope they eventually click. The bad ball didnt come, neither did their timing, and suddenly we needed 9 RPO.
Really just a symptom of the bigger issue plaguing the ODI side - a lack of a decent lower-middle order.
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Cricketer Of The Year
That's the thing though, they need to realize that it's not as easy in the final 10 and can't simply "rely" on Rahane/Raina to chase down whatever is left. Saffas definitely bowled well but it almost seemed as if MS/Kohli didn't want to get out until they realized how high the RR had gone up and then simply had to go for the shots at which point it became obvious to SA that they're gonna have a go. Usually you play your shots when the opponent isn't expecting.
Rahane/Raina deserve criticism too btw, not denying that.
Rahane/Raina deserve criticism too btw, not denying that.
cnerd123
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I don't think they were relying on Rahane/Raina to finish the chase. They were trying to finish it themselves. Hence not taking too many risks in the 30-39 phase.
If anything they should have backed Rahane/Raina to get the job done in case either of them got out and been more aggressive.
If anything they should have backed Rahane/Raina to get the job done in case either of them got out and been more aggressive.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Just how much can we keep criticising Kohli and Dhoni, or Rahane and Raina? These blokes are still capable of pulling off some amazing chases. It's just that this time, again a tough chase, what they tried didn't work.
The Indian bowling was weak, and handed the game to the Saffers on a platter. Look at the difference in strike rates, man for man. Both batting sides had a quiet phase, but the South Africans had it a little easier since neither Harbhajan nor Axar chip away much- and then got back to tear into Bucky and MoSh. Both of India's seam/swing bowlers in this XI average over 45, as against each of four South African bowlers chipping one every 30. Those four gave little or no room for the innings to grow. They not only had a plan, but also the right men for it- we can't imagine the same working with the bowlers the Indians have- which is as much as four Farhan Behardiens. Or four JPDs.
With bowling as weak as this, the batting have plenty of tough targets to set and chase.
The Indian bowling was weak, and handed the game to the Saffers on a platter. Look at the difference in strike rates, man for man. Both batting sides had a quiet phase, but the South Africans had it a little easier since neither Harbhajan nor Axar chip away much- and then got back to tear into Bucky and MoSh. Both of India's seam/swing bowlers in this XI average over 45, as against each of four South African bowlers chipping one every 30. Those four gave little or no room for the innings to grow. They not only had a plan, but also the right men for it- we can't imagine the same working with the bowlers the Indians have- which is as much as four Farhan Behardiens. Or four JPDs.
With bowling as weak as this, the batting have plenty of tough targets to set and chase.
kingkallis
International Coach
WTF with the firework? Its so annoying now...
cnerd123
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Yea no you clearly didn't watch the game.
When SA were batting this was a 300 pitch. It slowed down at the end, but even then keeping them to 270 was a commendable effort.
Everyone bowled quite well. There weren't too many bad balls. It wasn't easy for the SA batsmen. Kock played an excellent innings, Faf has quite a bit of goof fortune, and Behardien was 27 off 35 batting in the final 10 until he hit a last-ball 6.
Ridiculous to even suggest the bowlers aren't carrying their weight on the basis of this performance.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Again for some reason, not feeling that bad about this loss. Think teams are still getting used to the 5 men in the boundary during the last 10 rule and that is why I am willing to give them a bit more time on this.
artvandalay
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Seriously SAF fielded like absolute crap and we still found a way to lose this when we had so many wickets in hand. It can't just be the new 5 fielders rule. The batting order being shuffled doesn't help since Raina is not in form and there's not enough icing in this lineup with the amount of bowlers we are playing. The Rajkot ground is also not among the smaller grounds in India and it showed today.
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Make no mistake.. RSA bowled brilliantly, esp. between overs 30 and 40 but I just mean to say that the players are still unsure of when and how much to go on the attack during a chase, having been programmed to think "90 odd in last 10 is easy" due to the 4 men out rule. Not saying that India played well or that RSA won only coz of that rule. Just pointing out that teams have not yet worked out the right pace to time these chases with these new rules. Now RSA could still beat India even after all teams are used to these rules coz they played really well today, esp. in the backhalf of INdia's batting inning.