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Mohammed Amir cleared to return with immediate effect

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
They got a legit game, minus a few no balls.
this is such a crap post.

stop defending the ****'s actions as if it had a minimal effect on the game. It totally ruined that test match and even if it is one ball that is disgusting to the viewers and paid attendees.

Embarrassing stuff by some people in here.
 
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Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I'm saying it was not a legit game.

The pedantry that people think Amir was on top of his game other than that one or two no balls is crazy. You think his mind was totally concentrating, or was he thinking about the illegal **** he was about to do?
 

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
No one knows what he was thinking. But all the authorities have classed it as a spot fix and not a match fix, meaning the rest of the game was legit.
 

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
By also saying that the game was not legit, you are discrediting the effort put into the match by the rest of the Pakistani players (apart from Amir, Asif and Butt).
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
By also saying that the game was not legit, you are discrediting the effort put into the match by the rest of the Pakistani players (apart from Amir, Asif and Butt).
No I'm not (lol at there only being 8 players left after that by the way).

The match was affected. When Amir came out to bat after the fixing was exposed it was the worst I can remember cricket. Such hollowness. The fans were robbed.

Do you agree the fans were screwed?
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Was exposed on the Saturday night when the NOTW headlines started to break

Ask the England players who played in that match how they felt about it before you go claiming it as legit

Seriously. If you want a second chance for Amir that's all good. But arguing it on the basis of his offence not being match fixing, then have a spell.
 

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
I'm not arguing that he should have a second chance based on match fixing or spot fixing.

I'm just saying that no one lost money.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
oh great Graeme Swann has an opinion. Lets listen to that:laugh:
Yeah, let's laugh at a recent former Test cricketer's opinions who actually played in the match, rather then us idjits on messageboards.

In the end I disagree with him, but to just ridicule him because he differs from you is pretty pathetic. I mean I've done similar with Piers Morgan, but that's because he's not a cricketer, and has proven again and again to be a despicable human-being, I hated him before I even knew he was into cricket.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
Guardian live OBO from that morning at Lord's.

10.34am: Hello and welcome to - what exactly? Suddenly the stuff on the pitch, with England needing six wickets to seal the hollowest of victories all seems largely irrelevant. Terrible, terrible news overnight that Pakistan players may have been involved in alleged spot-fixing.
This is of course a matter of sporting principle, but it is also to do with context. this isn't some pointless ODI in Dubai: it's a Lord's Test for Chrissakes. I feel like I've been forced spend three days watching someone giving Nelson Mandela a Chinese burn, or jabbing the Queen in the eye.

Very interested to hear your thoughts today. And we will of course have all latest from around the ground from David Hopps as soon as any further news breaks.

10.44am: To date the word is play will start on time as usual. Pakistan have crept in to Lord's and skipped the warm-up. Feelings are already running high. These are mine for what they're worth:
1. These are just allegations so far. Nothing has been proved.
2. Still, this Test Match now seems entirely irrelevant. I feel for Jonathan Trott and Stuart Broad, but if it is proven the match - and maybe the series - should be expunged. Just my view, but I'd feel much, much better if it was.
3. Mohammed Amir: innocent until proven. But if so... what a tragedy.
4. You can say the bowlers were clearly trying to get England's batsmen out, and that this is just a side issue, but it doesn't work like that. You can't switch your focus on and off. This is a chronic condition.

10.47am: James Walsh on the sadness: "I missed yesterday's play because I was at a wedding, so woke up this morning looking forward to working my way through yesterday's OBO in its entirety before eating sausages. Instead I see headlines about 'match-fixing' and my day is ruins. Not that it is actually match-fixing, but still. Oh, cricket." Oh indeed.

10.51am: Michael Vaughan on Twitter: ""Anger is my thought at the moment.. I don't see how they can get out of this one ... it's just a great shame why this has to happen. Very sad." Pakistan have failed to appear at Lord's. No warm-up, just a last-minute creeping in. It's not an admission of guilt exactly, but it's certainly not a denial and it's all just extremely sad.

10.53am: Nasser Hussain on Sky Sports News: ": "Part of me says you've got to make a statement, and say: 'Right, ban for life'. If you come down tough maybe it says to everyone, 'Don't get involved, that's the end of your career'. But another part of me says, 'Should you give a person another chance?'. Let's give all these guys the benefit of doubt that they deserve." I would ban anyone with any previous form on this sort of thing for life. Someone like Amir: you've got to give him another chance.

10.55am: David Mayo writes: "You can't expunge it. It would be nice if you could, but how far back do you go? This test? This series? The recent Australia series over here? The series in Australia, where there were murmurs of match fixing? Every match for the last two and a half years? Without any hard information about every incident, you're just guessing. And the historical precedent, I believe, is to let the result stand." Yes you can. If this is proven - ie you have hard information - then expunge it. And any other game where dishonesty is proven (not just suspected) then take it out of the record books. Seems very clear to me.

10.56am: The umpires are out on the field, looking a little rueful. I think everyone just wants this over and done with now. Pakistan's bowlers, remember, still have to bat.

10.58am: Robert Scott writes, and he's right: "The ECB should refund all ticket money for today's test. It is no longer a cricket match and even if it does start it will be over quickly. There is no way the Pakistan team(or England) can focus on cricket. The ECB, PCB and ICC have no balls of their own. If proven guilty there should be life bans on the players concerned. But it wont happen; they will get a ban and then get re-instated in 12 months. That is the history. The whole summer series looks tarnished : For instance how about the 11 dropped catches at Edgbaston? Most if them easy."

10.59am: Ravi laments, and I'm sure many of you will agree: "The last two days have been among my favourite two days ever of test cricket. Today I feel as if there's no point. Should I watch the F1 instead? What a way to take away any joy I've taken in all this..." Well, not perhaps F1 if you want a proper sport, but I know what you mean. Finn will open the bowling.
No more apologist bull**** please
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
Yeah there should be no one saying that it was a harmless/victimless crime. It was a dark day for cricket and for Pakistan. I'm in favor of allowing Amir back, but I'm certainly not going to pretend that what he did was insignificant.
 

flibbertyjibber

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Yeah, let's laugh at a recent former Test cricketer's opinions who actually played in the match, rather then us idjits on messageboards.

In the end I disagree with him, but to just ridicule him because he differs from you is pretty pathetic. I mean I've done similar with Piers Morgan, but that's because he's not a cricketer, and has proven again and again to be a despicable human-being, I hated him before I even knew he was into cricket.
Swann was basically saying that not one member of the England side from that day when it all broke want him to play again.

When he says it like that and as heartfelt you have to agree with him.

Just waiting for KP to come out say he should be allowed to play again now just for the giggles.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
So what are you saying? That it was match fixing and not spot fixing?

The even simpler fact is that if a game has had any of its happenings "fixed", it is not a legit game. Not a legit contest between two teams trying their best to win a game of cricket. So basically, just not cricket.
 

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