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*Official* English Football Season 2015-16

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I think LVG getting his selection and tactics completely wrong is the story for Utd here. Hopefully the last time he starts a big away game with no Schneiderlin. Also Valencia at RB rather than going with the Young fudge was essential, given how well he's handled Sanchez in the past. And obviously we need Rooney replaced with a footballer.

Better 2nd half, albeit with the massive caveat that Arsenal had completely stopped trying.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Well, that was enjoyable, much more than I anticipated it being a few hours ago.

Thoroughly convincing performance from Arsenal really, though Cech really showed his worth on a few occasions.

Nice that Arsenal played sensibly after half time and didn't remain unecessarily gung ho.
 

Tangles

International Vice-Captain
Well played Arsenal. Haven't seen us outclassed that badly in a while. Can't really appreciate how well they played since it was my team that got embarrassed.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
I think there was an argument to have done it in the summer which makes me think doing it now is utterly stupid. That said; if they get the right guy we're still clearly still in a position to meet our objectives. As much as people talked about it; It has hardly been a disastrous start.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Haha, I find it pretty funny that the owners of the club seem to think they are more than a midtable side. Rodgers achieving exactly at the expected level for mine. Harsh sacking tstl.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Better 2nd half, albeit with the massive caveat that Arsenal had completely stopped trying.
And despite that Arsenal created much the better opportunities in the last 20 minutes. United had a lot of the ball without much to show for it.
 

cpr

International Coach
Brendan for Sunderland. Its the terrible and embarrassing comedy double act this country has lacked since Cannon and Ball left our screens
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Haha, I find it pretty funny that the owners of the club seem to think they are more than a midtable side. Rodgers achieving exactly at the expected level for mine. Harsh sacking tstl.
Obviously this is facetious to an extent at but not its a big job to try and re-establish them as one of the top clubs.

Graeme Beecroft just said on the radio he is certain Ancelotti is getting it.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Haha, I find it pretty funny that the owners of the club seem to think they are more than a midtable side. Rodgers achieving exactly at the expected level for mine. Harsh sacking tstl.
I know you're trolling but it's thoroughly deserved. They've gone from almost Champions in 2013/14 to utter ****e in less than 18 months, despite the manager being given hundreds of millions to spend. Sure, any team would suffer from losing a world class player like Suarez but it was Rogers who replaced him with Balotelli and Lambert.

I can't think of a signing he's made who would go down as an unqualified success, and he spends vast sums of money on players who don't seem to fit into his preferred systems.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Intrigued to know if they have anyone lined up that is not Klopp then.

They really should have done it in the summer.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
I know you're trolling but it's thoroughly deserved. They've gone from almost Champions in 2013/14 to utter ****e in less than 18 months, despite the manager being given hundreds of millions to spend. Sure, any team would suffer from losing a world class player like Suarez but it was Rogers who replaced him with Balotelli and Lambert.

I can't think of a signing he's made who would go down as an unqualified success, and he spends vast sums of money on players who don't seem to fit into his preferred systems.
Coutinho? Sturridge? His handling of Sterling?

He's a good developer of talent. The transfers are hard to gauge since we have a transfer committee and no one knows who wanted who. But it's clear he did not want Balotelli, and that the club basically gave him a 'him or nothing' option. You can tell that by how he dismissed Balotelli when he was asked before we signed him and via Gerrard's book.

In reality he only had a bad season at Liverpool. In his 1st season we had such a bad previous 3 seasons we just wanted to play well and then hopefully challenge for the top 4 later. He improved our style of play greatly and in the 2nd half of the season, once we had Coutinho and Sturridge, we were basically top 4 form till the end. 2nd season was the best season we've had in the EPL under any manager. His 3rd was the disappointment but even then it was mitigated by losing such a big player like Suarez and Sturridge being effectively out for the season. If they had wanted to get rid of him they should have done it in the summer. Giving him that transfer window and firing him 8 games in is a bit stupid IMO.

That said there was legitimate criticism. Bar a 3-4 month spell he's never had the defence working well right. Yes, there have been a hell of a lot of individual mistakes (see Can's clearance today) but after 3+ seasons there's something in it that we can't defend for ****. Also, IMO, he changed the formation and tactics far too often. It got the players smarter in an attacking sense but our shape has never been 'solid' and it's been far too fluid - which has probably contributed to the defensive problems.

I think the real reason he's been fired, besides less than ideal results, is that the team's confidence looked shaken. It was probably obvious that the hierarchy weren't backing Rodgers with any real strength for him to feel confident in his job and that just seemed to transfer to the players. I think he'll be one of the better British managers but the Liverpool job came a bit too early for him.

He leaves Liverpool with a ~52% win record; which is the best in the EPL era besides Benitez.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Coutinho? Sturridge? His handling of Sterling?
Coutinho - meh. Do not rate.
Sturridge - good player, injured far too often to call him an unqualified success.
Handling of Sterling - not sure I get what you're going at here, Sterling isn't at the club in part because of Rogers' handling of him.
 

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He was always far too willing to take credit when he had good luck and blame something else when things went against him. He'll go down as one of Liverpool's better PL managers but he should have went after the Stoke loss because it was obvious he'd lost the players. Whether you rate him as a manager or not I think it's clearly past time for him to go.

Now we can dig that GIMH post about how keeping Rodgers was more important than losing Suarez.
 

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