The best test batsman to average Under 61, 50, 40 and 30 IYO?

[flibbertyjibber]

Chris Martin for each category.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

If the OP had asked for the greatest Test batsman I would definitely not have chosen Williamson. But as for best I think he is better than all of those others. His biggest rival is Cook imo.

It's a semantic thing that might be worthy of it's own thread - the difference between good and great. Williamson and Bond are the best NZ batsman and bowler I have ever seen, Crowe and Hadlee the greatest.

Its not really semantics. its whether people can accept measuring a current batsman halfway (or 1/3) into his career (who's career could improve, decrease or stay the same) against senior and retired players.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

It's semantics to me. Good = level of skill achieved. Great = the sum total of demonstrated skill over one's entire career.

Williamson is better than Taylor, but Taylor is greater than Williamson. That might change of course.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

It's semantics to me. Good = level of skill achieved. Great = the sum total of demonstrated skill over one's entire career.

Williamson is better than Taylor, but Taylor is greater than Williamson. That might change of course.

In that case, I disagree with your definition of great then.

 

[Immenso]

I'm thinking K Rutherford or M Ramprakash for the under 30s. Not a club you want to be a member of. Both should have averaged 10 to 15 runs more than they did.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Ramprakash has to be a candidate for the under 30's

Sanga surely in the shake up for under 60's

Agree about Stewart for the under 40's and would add Lamb to that list.

 

[Flem274*]

Shut the **** up blocky and kiwiviktor

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Shut the **** up blocky and kiwiviktor

You're an angry man - and quite deluded if you can hear both of us. I cannot speak for for Kiwivik, but trust me, I am not one of the voices you are hearing.

 

[Flem274*]

You're an angry man - and quite deluded if you can hear both of us. I cannot speak for for Kiwivik, but trust me, I am not one of the voices you are hearing.

taking this as an admission ftr old buddy

 

[OverratedSanity]

CG and kiwiviktor have gone beyond parody now. Kane Williamson being seriously mentioned in this thread is a disgrace.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Kanhai, KP, Clarke, Graeme Smith, Greenidge, Sehwag, McCabe, Worrell all contenders for the below 50 category.

 

[harsh.ag]

Personally think it's between Worrell, Kanhai, and Harvey.

 

[Athlai]

Personally think the best batsman to average under 20 and best bowler to average over 40 would be more interesting.

 

[Zinzan]

What does this sentence mean to you?

He averaged over 70 odd for the last 1.5 years? If he averages less, say 60 for the remainder of his career, he will go back from where he is now, and yet surpass these people you name. So, in the future, when looked backed with hindsight he could have already been there yet, no?

I'm not prepared to make such a big call based on 'ifs' quite yet. Without checking I'm almost certain all of those batsmen I mentioned would have had periods of 1.5-2 years in which they averaged 70 and more. One of the reasons we generally judge players based on their whole career and not on their best periods. I'm a huge KW fan and would love to think he'll be ahead of those names by the time he's finished, but saying he's the best under 50 bat of all-time atm is ludicrous and frankly biased (coming from a NZ'der).

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

I'm not prepared to make such a big call based on 'ifs' quite yet. Without checking I'm almost certain all of those batsmen I mentioned would have had periods of 1.5-2 years in which they averaged 70 and more. One of the reasons we generally judge players based on their whole career and not on their best periods. I'm a huge KW fan and would love to think he'll be ahead of those names by the time he's finished, but saying he's the best under 50 bat of all-time atm is ludicrous and frankly biased (coming from a NZ'der).

But what does "he's not there yet" mean to you?


Define it. In your own words. What will it take for him to be there yet. How many more runs in how many more matches at what average? Is it a total runs scored quantum?

 

[J_C]

Sobers, May, Trumper and Percy McDonnell IMO.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Why are we even debating KW in this thread? People would've thrown a hissy fit if some indian had mentioned Kohli here and rightfully so.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Rahane for best under 50.

Also, Murali Vijay from a few months ago for less than 40. He's scraped over 40 last I checked.

 

[Zinzan]

But what does "he's not there yet" mean to you?


Define it. In your own words. What will it take for him to be there yet. How many more runs in how many more matches at what average? Is it a total runs scored quantum?

He's 24 years old. If you can't get it without requiring definitions, there's really no point tbh.