***Official*** Australia in Ireland and England 2015 (limited overs)

[CaptainGrumpy]

At least Watto can get out LBW with utter class, Marsh's dismissal was just so village, not to mention he contributes nothing in the meme player department.

Just a pity Marsh can actually and seems to enjoy bowling despite his tripe and still developing batting, otherwise Watson would should easily be the seam all-rounder when Faulkner isn't around (even if his batting is the epitome of gimmicky hipswing)

Faulkner and Watto are not mutually exclusive in the LO allrounder department. I actually think Australia being able to field those 2 (and Maxwell) an advantage over the rest of the world.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

He is exactly the type of player we need right now - dependable and competitive

His test debut was excellent. But more importantly. his vast FC record is outstanding. His bowling in internationals has been brilliant.

Then there is his batting. Which is not only getting better, but would be stiffen the Australian batting line up (its weakness) with some good runs at #8.

It is ridiculous that he is yet to be in the running for a regular test spot or at least a series to trial and push for a spot.

 

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Faulkner and Watto are not mutually exclusive in the LO allrounder department. I actually think Australia being able to field those 2 (and Maxwell) an advantage over the rest of the world.

Best team in the world

ICC Match Centre

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Best team in the world

ICC Match Centre

Agreed.

And the few weaknesses in that team are not Watto and Faulkner playing alongside each other.

 

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His test debut was excellent. But more importantly. his vast FC record is outstanding. His bowling in internationals has been brilliant.

Then there is his batting. Which is not only getting better, but would be stiffen the Australian batting line up (its weakness) with some good runs at #8.

It is ridiculous that he is yet to be in the running for a regular test spot or at least a series to trial and push for a spot.

Talk to the guys that make the decisions

My view is that Faulkner is a leader and is a ready-made VC with captaincy potential

We posted earlier about Patto vs Cummins

Going forward, give me an attack of Patto/Cummins/Faulkner/MMarsh/Lyon/Maxwell and they wont lose many games with Haze & Starc in reserve - pretty awesome

 

[TheJediBrah]

He is exactly the type of player we need right now - dependable and competitive

Just a few months ago I was being laughed out of the forums for suggesting Faulkner should be in the test side

Got to say it hasn't taken that long for others to start seeing it

 

[TheJediBrah]

Talk to the guys that make the decisions

My view is that Faulkner is a leader and is a ready-made VC with captaincy potential

We posted earlier about Patto vs Cummins

Going forward, give me an attack of Patto/Cummins/Faulkner/MMarsh/Lyon/Maxwell and they wont lose many games with Haze & Starc in reserve - pretty awesome

Save Starc for ODIs?

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Talk to the guys that make the decisions

My view is that Faulkner is a leader and is a ready-made VC with captaincy potential

We posted earlier about Patto vs Cummins

Going forward, give me an attack of Patto/Cummins/Faulkner/MMarsh/Lyon/Maxwell and they wont lose many games

Mitch Marsh is too weak. Plus, if that is your test line up, I think Maxwell and MMarsh could be mutually exclusive for the time being. You get one to bat 6 and bowl a few overs. I think Pattinson, Hazelwood, Faulkner with Lyon is the strongest 8,9,10,11. Starc and Bird are still in the running to compete with Pattinson and Hazelwood or to come into the side for injuries.

There seems to be a stubborness that Faulkner must bat 6 or not play, and Australia will not pick Faulkner at 8 at the expense of a Johnson paced bowler or above. That is dumb.

 

[Gnske]

Faulkner and Watto are not mutually exclusive in the LO allrounder department. I actually think Australia being able to field those 2 (and Maxwell) an advantage over the rest of the world.

Yeah true enough, quite literally given the World Cup win, despite how the pitches disguised a few issues.

I suppose the worry in the end comes to batting reliability like always, with the top hit and miss, Clarke gone and Bailey probably on the way to the forgotten zone soon, that's a large onus of burden to place on three blokes who aren't the spirit of consistency.

Slightly related but never been a fan of the "never enough all-rounders" thing, too many cooks ruin the stew etc. Obviously the bowling options are fantastic but the cake needs more flour and less icing.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Just a few months ago I was being laughed out of the forums for suggesting Faulkner should be in the test side

Got to say it hasn't taken that long for others to start seeing it

Oh I have had my share of being Faulkner bashed for months now too. I get told that the 4 best bowlers must be selected. And then told that he is not in the 4 best bowlers. So he should not be selected.

Some runs from him at number 8 would have been much better for Australia, though.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Obviously the bowling options are fantastic but the cake needs more flour and less icing.

But does it? This is the very core covnentional wisdom that the Maxwell types batting at 5 challenges and questions? I believe there has been too much cake and not enough icing in the past. That is what we are seeing in recent ODI scores. But that is a topic for another thread.

 

[Prince EWS]

I think Watson should be viewed of as a batsman who might bowl sometimes if things are desperate or conditions are in his favour at this point. He found a real role for his Test bowling after his pace dropped but his ODI bowling has suffered immeasurably from that. I still think he's one of Australia's best ODI batsmen so he should be playing when he's fit again (either opening or finishing -- I'd prefer to not see him in the middle though) but I don't think he should be seen as someone who can reliably get through a quota of overs.

 

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Mitch Marsh is too weak. Plus, if that is your test line up, I think Maxwell and MMarsh could be mutually exclusive for the time being. You get one to bat 6 and bowl a few overs. I think Pattinson, Hazelwood, Faulkner with Lyon is the strongest 8,9,10,11. Starc and Bird are still in the running to compete with Pattinson and Hazelwood or to come into the side for injuries.

There seems to be a stubborness that Faulkner must bat 6 or not play, and Australia will not pick Faulkner at 8 at the expense of a Johnson paced bowler or above. That is dumb.

My belief is that MMarsh will eventually be a world class no. 5 or 6 but he's young

If we are going to start again, we need to give him time

I'd pick Lynn at 5, MMarsh at 6 and Faulkner at 8 for insurance

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

My belief is that MMarsh will eventually be a world class no. 5 or 6 but he's young

I believe that you are wishing.

He has one 50 after 13 test innings, averaging 28. He averages 31.82 after more than 50 first class matches.

He is not likely to become a world class #6 let alone #5.

 

[social]

I believe that you are wishing.

He has one 50 after 13 test innings, averaging 28. He averages 31.82 after more than 50 first class matches.

He is not likely to become a world class #5.

Debuted at 17, got on the booze and has averaged 50 in the past 18 months

He'll succeed IMO

Then again, I also have faith in the Show

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'd be in the extreme minority who thinks that M Marsh, Maxwell and Faulkner could all play together in the future. Marsh and Maxwell both have the potential to be batting at 5 and 6 (obv. not quite yet).

I think Watson should be viewed of as a batsman who might bowl sometimes if things are desperate or conditions are in his favour at this point. He found a real role for his Test bowling after his pace dropped but his ODI bowling has suffered immeasurably from that. I still think he's one of Australia's best ODI batsmen so he should be playing when he's fit again (either opening or finishing -- I'd prefer to not see him in the middle though) but I don't think he should be seen as someone who can reliably get through a quota of overs.

true, but he bowled quite impressively in the last game

I believe that you are wishing.

He has one 50 after 13 test innings, averaging 28. He averages 31.82 after more than 50 first class matches.

He is not likely to become a world class #6 let alone #5.

Mate he's 23 years old

People were saying the exact same thing about Steve Smith just a few years ago

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

I'd be in the extreme minority who thinks that M Marsh, Maxwell and Faulkner could all play together in the future. Marsh and Maxwell both have the potential to be batting at 5 and 6 (obv. not quite yet).



true, but he bowled quite impressively in the last game



Mate he's 23 years old

People were saying the exact same thing about Steve Smith just a few years ago

Mitch Marsh, Australia's new #5 in tests.

How the mighty hath fallen.

 

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Mitch Marsh, Australia's new #5 in tests.

How the mighty hath fallen.

One of NZ's openers is Guptill

Guptill!

Lucky to play FC in Oz

Even worse is the fact that he is better than the other opener and no-one knows who the **** he is or cares

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

One of NZ's openers is Guptill

Guptill!

Lucky to play FC in Oz

Even worse is the fact that he is better than the other opener and no-one knows who the **** he is or cares

Well other than the fact Guptill has a higher batting average than M Marsh at FC, and test cricket (believe it or not) he managed two more 50's this year in England in tests than M Marsh did, in less matches and innings. So while Guptill is not banging down the door of ATG selection, it does not change the fact that Guppie plays for New Zealand. Australia are now looking to an inferior batsman to be in their top 5 - than New Zealand's weakest top order bat?

How the mighty hath fallen.

But seriously - Guppie would beat M Marsh to the #5 spot in your test team, so I am pretty sure he would find a FC team. Heck, he could replace Rogers at opener.

Guptil averaged 35 in England this year, M Marsh averaged 12.

He opened with Tom Latham, who is the more popular and preferred red ball opening bat by most NZ fans given his superior test and FC record to date. You're confused.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well other than the fact Guptill has a higher batting average than M Marsh at FC, and test cricket (believe it or not) he managed two more 50's this year in England in tests than M Marsh did, in less matches and innings. So while Guptill is not banging down the door of ATG selection, it does not change the fact that Guppie plays for New Zealand. Australia are now looking to an inferior batsman to be in their top 5 - than New Zealand's weakest top order bat?

How the mighty hath fallen.

But seriously - Guppie would beat M Marsh to the #5 spot in your test team, so I am pretty sure he would find a FC team. Heck, he could replace Rogers at opener.

Guptil averaged 35 in England this year, M Marsh averaged 12.

He opened with Tom Latham, who is the more popular and preferred red ball opening bat by most NZ fans given his superior test and FC record to date. You're confused.

again:

Mate he's 23 years old

People were saying the exact same thing about Steve Smith just a few years ago

seriously, no one said Mitch Marsh is a test no. 5 right now. But he's no where near as far off as a couple of bad Tests would suggest to the uninformed.