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***Official*** New Zealand in Zimbabwe and South Africa 2015

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Tests could be Watling I guess. Wasn't Southee vice-captain for a while? Wanna say Guptill for ODIs but not sure if he has experience doing it.
Latham will probably get the gig. He's already captained the side in SL, IIRC.
All of these are good calls. Watling may shade Latham in tests because the wicketkeeper is often made vice captain. Don't ask me why it is just a thing.
Guptill also has an advantage over Latham for pajama cricket in that he plays T20 quite strongly while Latham may or may not ever adapt to that format.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It's easy heef you quote a post like I am doing right now with yours and type - "unlike" beneath it. It may be manual but it has the same effect of spreading good cheer amongst all men of this great nation.
*Unlike*

I did have another data point that is equally unscientific and somewhat weaker as morne Morkel does it too. Essentially wheeler doesn't stop to set himself at the top of his mark he just turns and bowls. The better and more respectful bowlers take a second to be still.

My third data point is that he did not come across as being canny with his pitch map groupings.

But yeah 90% of it was body language ( which flem corroborated )

Anyway we need a new topic. Looking forward to seeing the next game now to see what else the new guys do.
*Unlike*

No his face reflects what he is thinking. Tell him to change his thoughts.
*Unlike*

No they don't

You can be like Dean Jones as a batsman. But you can't as a bowler. You need to be extremely intelligent, and a student of the game. Some batsman have such talent they can get by due to bravado and self belief. All those batsman you named would be even better if they pulled their heads in which is a scary thought.

A bowler needs to be determined - in fact with a fiery determination inside.
A batsman needs to have a swagger. And be confident.
*Unlike*

:p :ph34r:
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
The worst of all time was Mark Vermuelen. I think his helmet jumped out the way of Pathan's bouncer because it knew he deserved one in his punchable mush.
Absolutely. Who could forget such a monstrous visage? He has the sloping brow and cranial bumpage of the career criminal.
 

jcas0167

International Debutant
No his face reflects what he is thinking. Tell him to change his thoughts.
Looks like the Milwaukee Bucks are resorting to facial analysis - you should email Dan Hill and ask what he makes of Wheeler:

So in May, the team hired Dan Hill, a facial coding expert who reads the faces of college prospects and N.B.A. players to determine if they have the right emotional attributes to help the Bucks.

Hill contends that faces betray our true emotions and can predict intentions, decisions and actions. He employs the psychologist Paul Ekman’s widely accepted FACS, or Facial Action Coding System, to decipher which of the 43 muscles in the face are working at any moment. Seven core emotions are identified: happiness, surprise, contempt, disgust, sadness, anger and fear.

Smith said he felt that if Hill’s facial-coding analysis could be so effective in such a short time, his skills would be even more useful when he was given more time to assess players and work with the organization. “I wanted him to be our secret weapon,” Smith said.

But is such facial analysis truly effective? Martha Farah, a cognitive neuroscientist and director of the Center for Neuroscience & Society at the University of Pennsylvania, said she was skeptical about its applications in sports.

“To me the big question is, how well does the method actually work?” she said in an email interview. “It’s not easy to get good evidence, because a player’s performance and teamwork are complex outcomes, and the teams are not run like clinical trials, with coaches and managers blind to the facial coding findings and so forth. So it’s hard to know whether this system works well, gives some marginal benefit or does nothing at all.”
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Haha that is too funny. It's amazing how many people succeed at stealing a living through that type of horse ****.

I could name 100 cricketers who consistently look like they suck lemons and are the most negative ****ers in the world. For some of them it affected their ability to score runs, for some of them it probably helped them. I know one cricketer in particular who freely admitted he loved batting long periods of time because it meant he didn't have to sit with his side for hours on end. Ignoring one guy was much easier than 9. And fine leg? Yeah I'll field there, no trouble skipper. As long as it's a FC game and no one is there to annoy me, he'd say.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
I was just thinking about how much depth NZ cricket has compared to the past (not saying there is not still a distinct possibility we could rolled tonight and thrashed in the Oz tests, but we have so many more players to choose from).

I thought about a hypothetical NZ team of players not available, injured, or not selected (incl Jesse) and it is pretty impressive. What is stronger, this team or the one playing tonight? I reckon this one.

BMac
Ryder (I know)
Anton/Ruds/Brownlie?
Rosco
Watling
Anderson
Neesham (now injured so not playing)
Santner
Southee
Boult
Duffy
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
I was just thinking about how much depth NZ cricket has compared to the past (not saying there is not still a distinct possibility we could rolled tonight and thrashed in the Oz tests, but we have so many more players to choose from).

I thought about a hypothetical NZ team of players not available, injured, or not selected (incl Jesse) and it is pretty impressive. What is stronger, this team or the one playing tonight? I reckon this one.

BMac
Ryder (I know)
Anton/Ruds/Brownlie?
Rosco
Watling
Anderson
Neesham (now injured so not playing)
Santner
Southee
Boult
Duffy
3rd XI

1 Raval
2 M Bracewell*
3 Young*
4 Kitchen*
5 Cachopa
6 de Boorder*
7 Franklin
8 Astle*
9 Bates
10 Arnel
11 Duffy*

*'s are next to players who could represent NZ in the future.
 

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah a third squad would start to get a bit fugly in the ICC rankings. Dubious top order and expensive seamers.

Nicholls
Papps/Pollard
Rutherford
Young
Franklin
Craigchopa +
CdG
Hira/Devcich
Jeets
Mathieson/Nuttall
Bennett
 
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Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
3rd XI

1 Raval
2 M Bracewell*
3 Young*
4 Kitchen*
5 Cachopa
6 de Boorder*
7 Franklin
8 Astle*
9 Bates
10 Arnel
11 Duffy*

*'s are next to players who could represent NZ in the future.
Yeah a third squad would start to get a bit fugly in the ICC rankings. Dubious top order and expensive seamers.

Nicholls
Papps/Pollard
Rutherford
Young
Franklin
Craigchopa +
CdG
Hira/Devcich
Jeets
Mathieson/Nuttall
Bennett
I've gone by the plunket shield ratings as I couldn't figure out cricinfo to get the list A stats.

Nonetheless I reckon my XI could give yours a good run for its money,

de Boorder in particular is Quality - as are all the guys I put *'s beside.
 

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
oi kippax about your location, why not both?

i agree we need to bring down prince ews though
Yeah that's what i'm saying; get the balance better. The forum can't survive on Sparks and Marcs alone. It will always need a few speculators and wildcards in the mix.
 

Flem274*

123/5
you know we're bored and just want the game to start when we're listing random elevens again

still it's better than the reason for the random elevens being we just lost by plenty again.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Yeah that's what i'm saying; get the balance better. The forum can't survive on Sparks and Marcs alone. It will always need a few speculators and wildcards in the mix.
:laugh: they're completely different voices in my head where do you see the similarity? or did you just like the rhyme?:p

but what about bringing down cribb?
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Put Wagner in one/both of those 3rd XIs. Aggressive left-armer who runs in hard, pretends to be faster than he is and gets random wickets. Sounds like a certain NZ IPL bowling star.
 

TheJammyTurtle

U19 Cricketer
I'm probably going to be slated for this - but why wasn't Hamish Rutherford considered for this tour?Or is he just completely gone at the game now?
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Looks like the Milwaukee Bucks are resorting to facial analysis - you should email Dan Hill and ask what he makes of Wheeler:
Just a story on this topic to pass the time.

When I served as a civilian worker for the Canadian armed forces - there were these 16 year old cadets on site doing their training along with the full time adult members (who were as ferral as hell)

Anyway I remarked one day that there was one 16 year old called Kenny who always looked smug and that although he hadn't spoken to me he got on my nerves.
A private called Simpson told me that is good that I didn't like him and that I was invited on a midnight raid to teach him a lesson. Other people had noticed his smugness as well.

I said I couldn't join them that night as I had something on.

So they went over to his dorm room and put a pillow case over his head and beat him up I think and swore at him etc. The authorities found out about it and Private simpson and his mates got punished and told to cut the lawns with scissors etc.

I was told by someone in the know that had I joined in as a civilian that I would have been prosecuted or something.

The point though of this story is the effect on Kenny. There was no smug look on his face for the next two weeks and he got the message. He was a changed lad.

I am not inferring anything about Wheeler here - I am just reminded of the Kenny story from my 20s.

I have also decided that this point hence I will charge $1 per story.
 

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