Ashes Trivia

[Furball]

England

613. JM Anderson
625. IR Bell
630. AN Cook
638. SCJ Broad
655. JE Root
656. SC Kerrigan
657. CR Woakes
658. BA Stokes
659. GS Ballance
660. SG Borthwick
661. WB Rankin
662. MM Ali
663. CJ Jordan
664. SD Robson
665. JC Buttler
666. A Lyth
667. MA Wood

Australia

389. MJ Clarke
390. NM Hauritz
391. SR Watson
392. SW Tait
393. MEK Hussey
394. BJ Hodge
395. PA Jacques
396. SR Clark
397. DJ Cullen
398. MG Johnson
399. CJL Rogers
400. BJ Haddin
402. CL White
403. PM Siddle
404. JJ Krezja
405. DE Bollinger
406. AB McDonald
407. BW Hilfenhaus
408. PJ Hughes
409. MJ North
410. BE McGain
411. GA Manou
412. CJ McKay
414. TD Paine
415. SPD Smith
420. TA Copeland
421. NM Lyon
422. SE Marsh
423. PJ Cummins
424. JL Pattinson
425. MA Starc
426. DA Warner
427. EJM Cowan
440. JR Hazlewood
441. JA Burns
442. AC Voges

 

[Furball]

So we're up to 2010 Pakistan in England tour. Then it was India. Two meter George debuted, 416. Ashes, Doherty 417. Beer (418) and Usman (419) at Sydney. By now Harris has debuted so he must be 413. Copeland 420. Marsh 422.

All correct.

hahahah **** I meant to type Beau's name. I know for a fact that the spinner machine chewed out Casson before anyone else!

Yep.

 

[Furball]

England

613. JM Anderson
625. IR Bell
630. AN Cook
638. SCJ Broad
655. JE Root
656. SC Kerrigan
657. CR Woakes
658. BA Stokes
659. GS Ballance
660. SG Borthwick
661. WB Rankin
662. MM Ali
663. CJ Jordan
664. SD Robson
665. JC Buttler
666. A Lyth
667. MA Wood

Australia

389. MJ Clarke
390. NM Hauritz
391. SR Watson
392. SW Tait
393. MEK Hussey
394. BJ Hodge
395. PA Jacques
396. SR Clark
397. DJ Cullen
398. MG Johnson
399. CJL Rogers
400. BJ Haddin
401. B Casson
402. CL White
403. PM Siddle
404. JJ Krezja
405. DE Bollinger
406. AB McDonald
407. BW Hilfenhaus
408. PJ Hughes
409. MJ North
410. BE McGain
411. GA Manou
412. CJ McKay
413. RJ Harris
414. TD Paine
415. SPD Smith
416. PR George
417. XJ Doherty
418. MA Beer
419. UT Khawaja
420. TA Copeland
421. NM Lyon
422. SE Marsh
423. PJ Cummins
424. JL Pattinson
425. MA Starc
426. DA Warner
427. EJM Cowan
440. JR Hazlewood
441. JA Burns
442. AC Voges

 

[NUFAN]

I don't recall the numbers exactly from here, just know some sequences such as Agar then Faulkner and Henriques before Maxwell.

From my list there is one name that I've completely overlooked..

EDIT - Read Spikey's post.. Bird is the word.

 

[Spikey]

So we're up to 2010 Pakistan in England tour. Then it was India. Two meter George debuted, 416. Ashes, Doherty 417. Beer (418) and Usman (419) at Sydney. By now Harris has debuted so he must be 413. Copeland 420. Marsh 422.

So Cummins 423. Warner, Starc and Patto take us 426. Cowan in the India series takes us to 427. Don't think anyone else debuted in that India series. So Matt Wade in the Windies is 428. Don't think we had a series between the Windies and the 2012-13 home summer. So Quiney is 429. John Hastings 430 (SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAZE). Jackson Bird 431. And then the Indian tour again. Henriques 432. Maxwell 433. That's it from that tour. Onto the 2013 Ashes. 434 Agar. 435 Faulkner. Then Bailey 436. No changes at all that summer (LOL). Then Doolan (437) replaced Bailey in SA. O'Keefe and Marsh debuted together in the UAE, so 438 and 439. And we're done.

Now, I partly know this by tour because the other week I went through all our series since Clarke became captain because I wanted to figure out the last time Aus dropped a top 7 batsman for solely form reasons mid-series but following a victory. It has not happened since Clarke took over as captain. It possibly has not happened since Clarke and Kat got dropped in the 05-06 summer. Bailey and Marsh survived through a series because we won the matches. Hughes kept on getting dropped mid-series because we'd lose.

 

[NUFAN]

That's really impressive how you did that.

 

[Spikey]

That's really impressive how you did that.

2 weeks ago I would not have been able to do that. 395 was probably the trickiest. I knew someone debuted between Clark and Hodge. I knew Symonds re-appeared that summer but then I remembered the **** stole Kat's place for the first test against SL in 2004 (388!), so I was clueless for a second. Seeing Rogers at 399 reminded me about Jaques.

 

[Furball]

England

613. JM Anderson
625. IR Bell
630. AN Cook
638. SCJ Broad
655. JE Root
656. SC Kerrigan
657. CR Woakes
658. BA Stokes
659. GS Ballance
660. SG Borthwick
661. WB Rankin
662. MM Ali
663. CJ Jordan
664. SD Robson
665. JC Buttler
666. A Lyth
667. MA Wood

Australia

389. MJ Clarke
390. NM Hauritz
391. SR Watson
392. SW Tait
393. MEK Hussey
394. BJ Hodge
395. PA Jacques
396. SR Clark
397. DJ Cullen
398. MG Johnson
399. CJL Rogers
400. BJ Haddin
401. B Casson
402. CL White
403. PM Siddle
404. JJ Krezja
405. DE Bollinger
406. AB McDonald
407. BW Hilfenhaus
408. PJ Hughes
409. MJ North
410. BE McGain
411. GA Manou
412. CJ McKay
413. RJ Harris
414. TD Paine
415. SPD Smith
416. PR George
417. XJ Doherty
418. MA Beer
419. UT Khawaja
420. TA Copeland
421. NM Lyon
422. SE Marsh
423. PJ Cummins
424. JL Pattinson
425. MA Starc
426. DA Warner
427. EJM Cowan
428. MS Wade
429. RJ Quiney
430. JW Hastings
431. JM Bird
432. MC Henriques
433. GJ Maxwell
434. AC Agar
435. JP Faulkner
436. GJ Bailey
437. AJ Doolan
438. MR Marsh
439. SNJ O'Keefe
440. JR Hazlewood
441. JA Burns
442. AC Voges

 

[Furball]

So Cummins 423. Warner, Starc and Patto take us 426. Cowan in the India series takes us to 427. Don't think anyone else debuted in that India series. So Matt Wade in the Windies is 428. Don't think we had a series between the Windies and the 2012-13 home summer. So Quiney is 429. John Hastings 430 (SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAZE). Jackson Bird 431. And then the Indian tour again. Henriques 432. Maxwell 433. That's it from that tour. Onto the 2013 Ashes. 434 Agar. 435 Faulkner. Then Bailey 436. No changes at all that summer (LOL). Then Doolan (437) replaced Bailey in SA. O'Keefe and Marsh debuted together in the UAE, so 438 and 439. And we're done.

Now, I partly know this by tour because the other week I went through all our series since Clarke became captain because I wanted to figure out the last time Aus dropped a top 7 batsman for solely form reasons mid-series but following a victory. It has not happened since Clarke took over as captain. It possibly has not happened since Clarke and Kat got dropped in the 05-06 summer. Bailey and Marsh survived through a series because we won the matches. Hughes kept on getting dropped mid-series because we'd lose.

Wasn't Katich a victim of the 2005 defeat? Or was it only Martyn that was binned immediately following that series?

 

[Cabinet96]

Reckon I could probably do the sort of thing Spikey did.

Edit: Will try and do England backwards from Root.

 

[Furball]

Now, I partly know this by tour because the other week I went through all our series since Clarke became captain because I wanted to figure out the last time Aus dropped a top 7 batsman for solely form reasons mid-series but following a victory. It has not happened since Clarke took over as captain. It possibly has not happened since Clarke and Kat got dropped in the 05-06 summer. Bailey and Marsh survived through a series because we won the matches. Hughes kept on getting dropped mid-series because we'd lose.

That's an interesting question because I think a similar exercise with England would see you go back years as well.

 

[NUFAN]

So um England.

Swann, Panesar Tredwell Prior GJones Bairstow KP Strauss Trott Collingwood Compton Carberry Morgan Taylor Bresnan Pattinson SJones Plunkett Tremlett Onions Finn have to be added somewhere.

I don't even remember Anderson's debut, like I wouldn't have a clue which makes it difficult working out between him and Bell for me.

 

[Spikey]

Wasn't Katich a victim of the 2005 defeat? Or was it only Martyn that was binned immediately following that series?

Martyn got chopped straight away. Katich and Clarke (in that order I think) got chopped as the 05-06 home summer went on. Technically, one of them lost their place because Hayden (or Langer?) returned to the team from injury and Hussey moved down the order, so it doesn't really quite meet my criteria of only losing their spot because of form reasons, but it's closer than Usman losing his place because Ponting is back from his daughter's birth

also I cant for the life of me figure out who 387 would be for Aus. Can't think of any batsman who debuted between Clarke and when Lehmann stole Mark Waugh's place for the 2002-03 Ashes.(I know Lehmann debuted in 1998)

 

[Furball]

So um England.

Swann, Panesar Tredwell Prior Jones Bairstow KP Strauss Trott Collingwood Compton Carberry Morgan Taylor Bresnan Pattinson Plunkett Tremlett Onions Finn have to be added somewhere.

All correct, would you care to venture a guess where though?

 

[Furball]

also I cant for the life of me figure out who 387 would be for Aus. Can't think of any batsman who debuted between Clarke and when Lehmann stole Mark Waugh's place for the 2002-03 Ashes.(I know Lehmann debuted in 1998)

387 wasn't a batsman. The batsman to debut before Clarke (385) was indeed debuted in the 2002/03 Ashes, but as you've noted, wasn't Lehmann.

 

[Cabinet96]

654 Compton (Ahmedabad), 653 Bairstow (Windies Home) 652 Patel (Galle) 651 Ajmal Shahzad, 650 Morgan (both Bangladesh home). 649 Tredwell, 648 Finn, 647 Carbs (all Bangladesh away). 646 Trott (Oval 09) 645 Onions, 644 Bresnan (Windies home).

 

[Furball]

654 Compton (Ahmedabad), 653 Bairstow (Windies Home) 652 Patel (Galle) 651 Ajmal Shahzad, 650 Morgan (both Bangladesh home). 649 Tredwell, 648 Finn, 647 Carbs (all Bangladesh away). 646 Trott (Oval 09) 645 Onions, 644 Bresnan (Windies home).

653 (and therefore all subsequent answers) is incorrect. Timeline is spot on but you've forgotten someone.

 

[King Pietersen]

653 is James Taylor.

 

[Howe_zat]

613. JM Anderson
625. IR Bell
630. AN Cook
638. SCJ Broad
655. JE Root

Cook - Broad probably

631. Shaun Udal
632. Monty Panesar
633. Saj Mahmood
634. Liam Plunkett
635. Matt Prior
636. Ryan Sidebottom
637. Chris Tremlett

Broad - Root probably

639. Tim Ambrose
640. Graeme Swann
641. Graeme Onions
642. Tim Bresnan
643. Jonathan Trott
644. Steven Finn
645. Michael Carberry
646. James Tredwell
647. Ajmal Shahzad
648. Eoin Morgan
649.
650.
651. Samit Patel
652. Johnny Bairstow
653. James Taylor
654. Nick Compton

 

[Cabinet96]

I think I'm missing a few because I'm struggling a bit after that. Remember Amjad Khan in the West Indies, Darren Pattinson 2008 v SA and not much else. Broad was 2007 in Sri Lanka.