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Pick your nation's 24 best ODI players throughout history

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CaptainGrumpy

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Compare Corey Anderson and Crowe as bowlers. Crowe wins. Its not even a debate.

Furthermore, and this will spark some heated debate, this current NZ ODI team is its best ever. Fact. Much like the 1970/80's West Indians will feature in their ATG ODI team so too will current NZ ODI players.

Batsmen responsible for that success like Guptill, Taylor and Williamson are a key component of that. So is the runs and striking of Corey and McCullum (and Ronchi before the WC). This pushes the ATGs like Astle and Crowe down the pecking order. That will cause no end of debate. Players are no longer assessed merely on their averages, but their SR's and ability to find the boundary. It is the McCullum and Maxwell era of cricket. Crowe would possibly have adapted, but he didn't do it at the time when he had the chance too. He was certainly a driving force behind the global evolution of the game with team selection and strategy. The modern breed have. Yes there are fielding rule differences, but even then. Williamson, Taylor and Guptill are ATG players. Guptill may get a few arguments that he needs to carry on his form for a bit longer, but he is the first NZ'er to hit 200, and he got a 180 odd in England a few years ago. The times are a changing on the NZ ATG front.

Crowe scored 4 ODI centuries. Test cricket was more his game, by his own admission. He spent most his ODI career not liking the fact that it was over restricted and he was supposed to score fast. He is on the record as saying that. When he was adjusting his game, he was struck down by injury and forced to retire.
 
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kiwiviktor81

kiwiviktor81

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By popular demand, the following changes have been made to the NZ ATG team:

IN: Jacob Oram, Scott Styris, Lance Cairns
OUT: John Wright, Adam Parore, Stephen Fleming
 
kiwiviktor81

kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
As soon as someone has a go at the WI 24 it will be up there.

I'll start

Batsmen: Richards, Greenidge, Lloyd, Haynes, Lara, Chanderpaul, Sarwan
Allrounders: Gayle, Russell, Dujon, Hooper, Pollard,
Bowlers: Garner, Holding, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh, Roach, DJ Bravo

...need 5 more
 
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CaptainGrumpy

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Well he had Gomes.

Haha.

Richie Richardson. His record at ODi cricket is rather average.

Do you have all the players he named in his team above?
 
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kiwiviktor81

kiwiviktor81

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Yeah everyone except for Gomes, who I can't believe would make an ATG 24. Probably a simulator team would have a slogger in there like Russell or Pollard, so I included them. Their stats are actually pretty good even apart from the strike rate.
 
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CaptainGrumpy

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Oh I freely admit Gomes was a weak selection. But if I have a better chance to beat Coronis, Gomes should play. Make him the 25th man with an asterisk?

This is about Coronis. Not about the West Indies team you and I would select.
 
kiwiviktor81

kiwiviktor81

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Yeah I can chuck Gomes in there haha. I think, though, you'll have your work cut out for you beating that side - the WI bowling is simply murderous and if you strengthen the batting to counter this then Viv Richards will kill you.
 
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CaptainGrumpy

Banned
kiwiviktor81 said:
Yeah I can chuck Gomes in there haha. I think, though, you'll have your work cut out for you beating that side - the WI bowling is simply murderous and if you strengthen the batting to counter this then Viv Richards will kill you.
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Viv is AB De Villiers equivalent.

I am more concerned about their bowlers.
 
kiwiviktor81

kiwiviktor81

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I've always been curious to know how a team of allrounders would go. Actually that was one of the reasons why I built the simulator.

A team like:

1. Guptill
2. Turner
3. Williamson
4. Taylor
5. McCullum
6. Ronchi (wk)
7. Anderson (5)
8. C. Cairns (4)
9. L. Cairns (3)
10. Styris (2)
11. Oram (1)

I expect it would get slaughtered, it would be interesting though
 
NUFAN

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
kiwiviktor81 said:
As soon as someone has a go at the WI 24 it will be up there.

I'll start

Batsmen: Richards, Greenidge, Lloyd, Haynes, Lara, Chanderpaul, Sarwan
Allrounders: Gayle, Russell, Dujon, Hooper, Pollard,
Bowlers: Garner, Holding, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh, Roach, DJ Bravo

...need 5 more
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Andy Roberts, Jerome Taylor, Sunil Narine and I would go 2 of Samuels, Bishop, Croft and Ramdin
 
kiwiviktor81

kiwiviktor81

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OK, added the West Indies team. Dan vetoed my proposal to add Gomes for CaptainGrumpy's sake so I've been playing with Samuels at 6.

This is the best I've been able to do. 200-139 loss. Crowe at 5 didn't score one century against that attack in 221 completed innings. Shane Bond took 19 five-fors in 339 matches, which just goes to show what NZ missed out on because of his constant injuries. Viv Richards scored 34 100s against me.
 
kiwiviktor81

kiwiviktor81

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That WI team could be way stronger anyway. Marshall wasn't that good in ODIs and you could replace him with Roberts, who struck at ten balls a wicket lower. You could also have Chanderpaul or Russell at 6, or drop Gayle to 6 and open with Sarwan.

I think WI is unbeatable.
 
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CaptainGrumpy

Banned
kiwiviktor81 said:
$2.44 still the best I've done with NZ against that Wi side.
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I was beating them at turn of 50, but they snuck ahead of me before 100. Changed the bowling and batting order to worsen results.

I think I would beat coronis's team. Gomes is weaker than Bravo (or can strike fast and get out).
 
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