CaptainGrumpy
Banned
I don't see much possible improvement with the red ball in Corey. He is what he is.
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Any updates on NZ's tour of Oz later this year?
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
No. He is improving from inning to inning. He needs time to get used to test matches. It is significantly harder than FC and he hasn't adjusted yet. That said his average of 31 is enough to warrant re-selection. He also makes tough runs.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
How can he warrant re-selection, when it got him dropped for Jimmy?
I do not understand your logic at all. Are you saying that he should never have been dropped for Jimmy?
If so I disagree.
His FC bowling is worse than his test bowling. Which is not good in itself. Williamson has an equivalent bowling record.
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Wait What. is my memory failing me. I thought mostly injuries and incumbency have decided who has played out of the two of them. Happy to be corrected.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
I am pretty sure Corey was dropped from the test team for Jimmy. I am happy to stand corrected. But Jimmy only missed England through injury, and that saw Corey selected.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Give specifics. Of when Corey was actually dropped.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Well he didn't play against Sri Lanka. So I guess after the UAE...
It appears that he missed the first Sri Lanka test with a groin strain. Don't know about the second test.
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
That is the first test. And the second test? He was fit to play.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/64531232/hamish-rutherford-to-get-another-chance-in-second-test-against-sri-lanka
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Incumbency after that probably. Once they seem to switch from one to the other they stick with that guy until another injury. I don't think there is a clear pecking order between them.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Hmm, I think I would prefer Brownlie (or even Ronchi) play. And just make Australia field an eternity in the test matches.
Australias strength is their bowling, not their batting. Kane and Craig can get through overs to ensure Boult's wrokload is not silly. Wagner could be selected as the third seamer.
But yeah, I am sure either Corey or Jimmy will play. I just don't think its the best move. Our best shot at winning is Boult and Southee taking wickets. We need to give them runs on the board to do it.
Corey is just going to be canon fodder for their batsmen. Even their weaker bats like Watto.
Australias strength is their bowling, not their batting. Kane and Craig can get through overs to ensure Boult's wrokload is not silly. Wagner could be selected as the third seamer.
But yeah, I am sure either Corey or Jimmy will play. I just don't think its the best move. Our best shot at winning is Boult and Southee taking wickets. We need to give them runs on the board to do it.
Corey is just going to be canon fodder for their batsmen. Even their weaker bats like Watto.
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
DWTA he will average about 40 in the series with the ball and chip in with about two wickets per test.
That level of bowling is good enough for a role player. Remember he doesn't need to lead with the bat or the ball - he just needs to play his part and support the other players.
He is not a premier player on the team. But he can be a cog in the wheel.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
That is loser thinking. I think we have the talent to give victory a decent sniff here. We shouldn't be giving Australia free runs at the price of lowering the runs we can make. Which is exactly what you are suggesting.
Skyliner
International 12th Man
England missed a trick against NZ: Gillespie | cricket.com.au
Interesting you say that about making Australia field for an eternity. Check Gillespie's analysis on why England (can apply to any side really) need to keep Aus out in the field as long as possible.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Well Latham, Williamson and Watling can do it. Brownlie has the potential. So can McCullum when he chooses too. No point in try to hit Hazlewood out of the attack. But maybe Lyon is a different matter. Mix that up with Guptil and Taylor and it you could post a score. Johnson is getting old for a fast bowler. Starc is a different bowler when he does not get early success. Rhino will be retired.
We won't need to score too quickly to force a result in rain free Australia. But we will need runs for Boult and Tom to bowl them out. It is our best shot at victory because Australia will take wickets. Their seamers are that good. We need as many runs as we can muster for Craig on the final day, and Boult and Tim on the other days.
We won't need to score too quickly to force a result in rain free Australia. But we will need runs for Boult and Tom to bowl them out. It is our best shot at victory because Australia will take wickets. Their seamers are that good. We need as many runs as we can muster for Craig on the final day, and Boult and Tim on the other days.
Skyliner
International 12th Man
I don't think either Néesh or Anderson are outstanding bowlers, but they can do a job. Sometimes that fifth bowler just offers a point of difference, something different for the batsman to contend with, their concentration may drop against a perceived weaker bowler, or they may tense up against the weaker bowler due to not wanting to give them their wicket, and they perish due to that.
I don't think we should suddenly start thinking a fair portion of our bowling resources will be 'cannon fodder'.
Maybe you are still gun-shy due to the England series.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Gun shy? I am saying pick a four bowler attack and score more runs. I am the reverse of gun shy. I am saying 6 best available bats, a keeper and four bowlers.
I am saying if the fifth bowler who scores less runs has to bowl big overs, then that test aint going to be won too often. But if 6 bats can post a big score, and 4 bowlers to do the job, a win is far more likely. If the 4 bowlers cannot do the job, Kane and Craig can just bowl 5-10 overs more. Have the runs to save the test.
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Skyliner
International 12th Man
Who's your six bats again?
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Brownlie (or Ronchi). Ronchi has a sniff of selection from those that be despite people not liking his cavalier batting style.
guptill
latham
williamson
taylor
brownlie
mccullum
watling
craig
southee
wagner
boult
or
latham
guptill
williamson
taylor
mccullum
watling
ronchi
craig
southee
wagner
boult
The allrounders come into the mix more if Milne was to be thought of playing at the WACA. Even then, Brownlie at 6 or Ronchi playing in the team makes more sense at the WACA against Johnson & co.
guptill
latham
williamson
taylor
brownlie
mccullum
watling
craig
southee
wagner
boult
or
latham
guptill
williamson
taylor
mccullum
watling
ronchi
craig
southee
wagner
boult
The allrounders come into the mix more if Milne was to be thought of playing at the WACA. Even then, Brownlie at 6 or Ronchi playing in the team makes more sense at the WACA against Johnson & co.
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
I don't know what you are on about. But it shows a lack of understanding of the role of a 5th bowler and what they can contribute.
Zero points out of ten
