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Any updates on NZ's tour of Oz later this year?

straw man

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Just found it:

Black Caps shorn of top players for Zimbabwe, South Africa tour | Stuff.co.nz

Boult, ranked third in the world in tests and ODIs, will be back into full training in late August. Anderson's injury was more serious and he won't return to action till late September. "It's pretty important we don't rush either of them, but they're both on track to be ready for Australia," Crocker said.
Also:

Southee has no serious injuries but needs a rest and conditioning window after a torrid six months. "It's more likely he will miss this series."
Adam Milne remains in doubt with a long-term foot injury suffered at the World Cup.
The only positive injury news following Wednesday's announcement of NZC's top-20 was allrounder Jimmy Neesham, who is likely to be named in the Black Caps squad next week after a long layoff with a back injury.
 
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straw man

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Paint me as very sceptical on this idea of selecting Milne for an Australia test or three. Not only does he have injury problems and little in the way of FC wickets to suggest he'd do well, but as others have pointed out you're going to have to upset the balance of the rest of the attack in order to maximise his performance (short spells, not into the wind).

I wouldn't want to be without a spinner at any of those venues and if there's bounce then Craig can do well.

Other third seamers likely offer more than Milne - probably Henry or Wagner.

Whoever we choose of Anderson and Neesham, they'll be coming back from injury and shouldn't be expected to pick up too many overs that Milne can't bowl (or can't bowl at top speed, which removes the reason for selecting him as someone else can do that job better).
 

Hurricane

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Paint me as very sceptical on this idea of selecting Milne for an Australia test or three. Not only does he have injury problems and little in the way of FC wickets to suggest he'd do well, but as others have pointed out you're going to have to upset the balance of the rest of the attack in order to maximise his performance (short spells, not into the wind).

I wouldn't want to be without a spinner at any of those venues and if there's bounce then Craig can do well.

Other third seamers likely offer more than Milne - probably Henry or Wagner.

Whoever we choose of Anderson and Neesham, they'll be coming back from injury and shouldn't be expected to pick up too many overs that Milne can't bowl (or can't bowl at top speed, which removes the reason for selecting him as someone else can do that job better).
It's the WACA - not Eden Park. That is all.
 

Hurricane

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Boult, ranked third in the world in tests and ODIs, will be back into full training in late August. Anderson's injury was more serious and he won't return to action till late September. "It's pretty important we don't rush either of them, but they're both on track to be ready for Australia," Crocker said.
As long as Neesham is available then at least we have coverage for Corey if he doesn't recover.

Corey will be in and out of the side perpetually.
 
I find it funny that Corey is being talked of as preferred to Neesh for a test tour of Australia. Would have thought Neesh was ahead of him in the test team to be honest and only injury got Corey in the test team for England.
 

Hurricane

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I find it funny that Corey is being talked of as preferred to Neesh for a test tour of Australia. Would have thought Neesh was ahead of him in the test team to be honest and only injury got Corey in the test team for England.
Maybe that can be our debate topic for tonight. Who starts if both are fit. Neesham is a bit of a downhill skiier. Corey fails to convert his 40s into big scores. Corey is a better bowler. Neesham is mainly in the team for batting only.

You would think if Corey is returning from injury that will count against him anyway. Especially if Jimmy scores a few runs in these ODIs,
 
Its a bourgeois run world. The proletariat are still waiting on Karl's prediction that they will have their turn.

Do you have Corey ahead of Jimmy in the tests? Edit: just saw your first reply post.

You must be very relieved about Boult. You were taking his possible injury quite badly.

Okay well tonight's discussion. I think Jimmy is ahead of Corey for the test team on past form and results. I also think Ronchi is in with a chance (with BJ specialist batting at 6). It does not appear that Munro is in with a shot of batting 6 as he has been left out of the contract list. He would need a stellar finish to his county season to get within cooey.

But I think Craig, with his batting and his slip fielding, is being excused as a day 5 only bowler, and that people that be, McCullum and Hesson, will want him in the side at 8. This could also means he plays the WACA.

Jimmy seems to out bat and out bowl Corey with the red ball (test and first class). Jimmy has a problem with quality spin, but I think Corey may well do to. Corey certainly pushes his hand eye to the limit in test cricket looking for mid wicket in a Viv Richards fashion, without Viv's success. Corey's bowling in tests just seems to injure him and not look at all threatening.
 
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Dan

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I think Neesham and Corey are roughly on-par in the eyes of the selectors; incumbency seems to be the defining factor with both performing well enough to hold their positions, while never being far enough ahead of the other to establish themselves as the #1. A good problem to have, really.

That being said, I'm taking Neesham. Issues against quality spin won't trouble him so much in Australia, while Coriander Son's hard hands pushing at length balls will find him out against high-class pace IMO. Will struggle against Haze, I reckon.

Anderson's bowling would probably be more handy than Neesham's in Australia, imo.
 
I thought until Neesh's injury, that it appeared that Corey was the ODI player and Neesh the test player and that they were not "on par".

I don't think Corey's bowling will cause any real concern to the Australian team. Waqar and Wasim, I mean Tim and Trent need to get us the wickets to win in Australia.

So in sum: I agree with you. Its Neesham over Corey.

The next question will be, Neesham or Ronchi. I understand Ronchi is short of fans as a test player on this forum. But he has fans and admirers from within NZC hierarchy. England test did him no disservice to those fan's admiration.
 
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Hurricane

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Its a bourgeois run world. The proletariat are still waiting on Karl's prediction that they will have their turn.

Do you have Corey ahead of Jimmy in the tests? Edit: just saw your first reply post.

You must be very relieved about Boult. You were taking his possible injury quite badly.

Okay well tonight's discussion. I think Jimmy is ahead of Corey for the test team on past form and results. I also think Ronchi is in with a chance (with BJ specialist batting at 6). It does not appear that Munro is in with a shot of batting 6 as he has been left out of the contract list. He would need a stellar finish to his county season to get within cooey.

But I think Craig, with his batting and his slip fielding, is being excused as a day 5 only bowler, and that people that be, McCullum and Hesson, will want him in the side at 8. This could also means he plays the WACA.

Jimmy seems to out bat and out bowl Corey with the red ball (test and first class). Jimmy has a problem with quality spin, but I think Corey may well do to. Corey certainly pushes his hand eye to the limit in test cricket looking for mid wicket in a Viv Richards fashion, without Viv's success. Corey's bowling in tests just seems to injure him and not look at all threatening.
I am very relieved. Unbeknowst to any of you I have been searching for news on Boult every couple of days. Without both him and Tim together we really stood no chance in the series.

We caught a very lucky break with his injury. I am also overjoyed we are resting Tim from this meaningless tour of SA and Zimbabwe. Well it isn't quite meaningless but as long as we don't get thrashed I will be happy so it is basically meaningless for me.

It is all about those Australian tests. Will be magnificent to watch. That win in Hobart had me on the edge of my seat. I can't wait for another potential victory. Australia are like Mordor though, they are gradually assembling a dark and menancing army that is intended to triumph over the world. I success against them lies 100% with our video analyst. And as I commented after the England series we seem to have a particularly weak analyst working for us. We must have plans in place for ALL of their batsman and they must be good plans. Smith is not infalliable and his habit of walking across his stumps brings into play other means of dismissing him especially for a left arm bowler who can bring the ball back in.

With regards to Neesham. I think Corey has the better FC record if you strip test performances out of Jimmy's FC stats. Jimmy basically through good fortune got off to a good start in his test career. Corey is the more accomplished batsman however Jimmy for whatever reason seems to be more cerebral and is capable of building a longer inning (if he can make a start which is he is less likely to do than Corey).
Corey is a fighter a quintessential battler and plays with emotion. He is my man I want to be playing for my life out of the two of them. In such a game Jimmy would either fail or get a century.
 
Watling is a better keeper than Ronchi. If you're going to play Ronchi, it's as a specialist bat, but for that I'd rather play Brownlie.
Now you're throwing the fox among the pidgeons.

I too prefer that for team balance.

But, if Milne is to play the WACA, then Neesham probably needs to play at 6 (if not 8). So the WACA throws the spotlight on Neesham and Craig, to fit Milne in the team.

For the other tests, Craig plays. So, Neesham, Brownlie or Ronchi?

You discard Ronchi and its Neesham v Brownlie.

Its quite interesting. Was Brownlie given a contract? I'm not sure that he was. He made big FC runs last year. What is he doing this winter? Lancashire cricket? Or having a break?
 

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