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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Red

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Bored at work. Office to myself. Should be writing reports.


Australia

V.Trumper
A.Morris
D.Bradman +
G.Chappell
K.Miller/R.Ponting
N.Harvey
A.Gilchrist +
S.Warne
B.O'Reilly/R.Lindwall
D.Lillee
G.McGrath

England

J.Hobbs
L.Hutton
W.Hammond
P.May *
D.Compton
L.Ames +
I.Botham
J.Laker
H.Larwood
F.Trueman
D.Underwood

West Indies

G.Greenidge
F.Worrell *
G.Headley
B.Lara
V.Richards
G.Sobers
J.Dujon
M.Marshall
J.Garner/L.Gibbs
C.Ambrose
M.Holding

South Africa

B.Richards
G.Smith *
J.Kallis
G.Pollock
AB DeVilliers
A.Faulkner
D.Lindsay+
M.Procter
S.Pollock
D.Steyn
A.Donald
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
An NZ ATG ODI (and second eleven) side much better than the one Athlai made

Nathan Astle | Glenn Turner | Martin Crowe (c) | Kane Williamson | Ross Taylor | Chris Cairns | Brendon McCullum (wk) | Richard Hadlee | Daniel Vettori | Kyle Mills | Shane Bond

Martin Guptill | Brendon McCullum (c) | Stephen Fleming | Scott Styris | Roger Twose | Chris Harris | Luke Ronchi (wk) | Tim Southee | Gavin Larsen | Trent Boult | Danny Morrison

Again seperating the two seperate careers of Baz, otherwise if we're combining them I'll take current Baz with his 2000s wicketkeeping and a brand new injuryless back straight into the first eleven thanks, and he's the skipper.
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
TEST XI from past 25 years

Hayden
Sehwag
Sangakara
Lara
Kallis
S. Waugh (c)
Gilchrist (wk)
Warne
Steyn
Ambrose
McGrath

ODI XI from past 25 years

Tendulkar
Amla
Ponting (c)
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni (wk)
S.Pollock
Akram
Murali
Waqar
Donald

Combined XI for both formats without drastically changing regular batting positions

Hayden
Sehwag
Ponting (c)
Lara
Kallis
De Villiers (wk)
S. Pollock
Akram
Warne
Murali
McGrath
 
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Red

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
How would people balance their SA all time side to win a test/series? There's a fair bit of flexibility because Kallis and Faulkner are such solid 5th/6th bowlers.

B. Richards
G. Smith
J. Kallis
G. Pollock
AB DeVilliers
A. Faulkner
D. Lindsay
M. Procter
S. Pollock
D. Steyn
A. Donald

Bowling has 4 quicks (Donald, Steyn, Pollock & Procter) plus Kallis' medium pace and Faulkner's leg spin, giving 6 options.

Is it better to drop Faulkner and Pollock/Procter to bring in another proper bat (Amla, Mitchell) and Tayfield's leg spin?
 
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AndyZaltzHair

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
SA ATG XI

1. Richards
2. Mitchell
3. Kallis
4. Pollock
5. Nourse
6. Faulkner
7. Waite
8. Procter
9. Steyn
10. Tayfield
11. Donald

Gutted to leave out Adcock and Herbie. Herbie was so gun in swinging and seaming conditions.
 
D

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
A South African XI looking like this would be so good, IMO:

1. Richards
2. Mitchell
3. Amla
4. Kallis
5. Pollock
6. de Villiers +
7. Faulkner
8. Procter
9. Pollock
10. Steyn
11. Donald

ABdV not an ATG 'keeper, obvs, but man that team would beat almost anything. 6 genuine bowling options and still bats to 9.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
bagapath said:
TEST XI from past 25 years

Hayden
Sehwag
Sangakara
Lara
Kallis
S. Waugh (c)
Gilchrist (wk)
Warne
Steyn
Ambrose
McGrath

ODI XI from past 25 years

Tendulkar
Amla
Ponting (c)
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni (wk)
S.Pollock
Akram
Murali
Waqar
Donald

Combined XI for both formats without drastically changing regular batting positions

Hayden
Sehwag
Ponting (c)
Lara
Kallis
De Villiers (wk)
S. Pollock
Akram
Warne
Murali
McGrath
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lol where is Tendulkar in the test XI?
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
Red Hill said:
How would people balance their SA all time side to win a test/series? There's a fair bit of flexibility because Kallis and Faulkner are such solid 5th/6th bowlers.

B. Richards
G. Smith
J. Kallis
G. Pollock
AB DeVilliers
A. Faulkner
D. Lindsay
M. Procter
S. Pollock
D. Steyn
A. Donald

Bowling has 4 quicks (Donald, Steyn, Pollock & Procter) plus Kallis' medium pace and Faulkner's leg spin, giving 6 options.

Is it better to drop Faulkner and Pollock/Procter to bring in another proper bat (Amla, Mitchell) and Tayfield's leg spin?
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barry richards, lindsay and procter didnt play enough tests to warrant a place. not even 1000 runs/50 wickets. and, I think tayfield was an offie.

my SA XI

G. Smith
G. Kirsten
A. D. Nourse (jr)
G.A. Pollock
J.H. Kallis
AB de Villiers (wk)
G.A. Faulkner
S.M. Pollock
H.J. Tayfield
D. Steyn
A.A. Donald

Two express fast bowlers, absolute masters of their craft.
A fast medium master of swing and cut.
One of the greatest off spinners ever.
A leg spinning/googley bowling all-rounder
A fast medium pacer who can crank it up to fast mode and chip in with vital wickets bowling as sixth option.

No need to speak about the batting which is a perfect mix of caution and aggression/ left-right. and they bat very well way down to no.8. tough, tough team to beat.
 
C

CaptainGrumpy

Banned
bagapath said:
TEST XI from past 25 years

Hayden
Sehwag
Sangakara
Lara
Kallis
S. Waugh (c)
Gilchrist (wk)
Warne
Steyn
Ambrose
McGrath
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Needs less Sehwag and Gilchrist and more Amla opening and De Villiers wicket keeping. De Villiers is like salt. Just improves everything.
 
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C

CaptainGrumpy

Banned
AndyZaltzHair said:
can you really rely on ABdv to keep against that bowling attack of Warne, Steyn, Ambrose and McGrath
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Yes. He keeps to Steyn already.

I thought about the Warne dynamic, and if it didn't work then you drop Warne for Murali. Warne is bloody lucky to get there ahead of Murali.

Funny thing, I don't disagree with the seam attack, but its interesting that there is no Akram, Younis or Donald.
 
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