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*Official* New Zealand in England 2015
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
He doesn't bowl to a plan.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
Probably not helped by having a captain who doesn't have a plan.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Good side. Personally wish Soult get used sparingly in the series.
Days of Grace
International Captain
Think they need to decide if Latham is an opener or a middle order player and stick to it for a few series.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
31 byes looks bad on the scoresheet, but to be fair to Ronchi, more than half of those were from balls that he couldn't possibly have stopped (think Trent Boult's wonder ball early on day 3). His keeping was a little untidy at times, but he took all the chances that came his way (including a really good one off Stokes on the last day) and that's the most important thing.2nd Test XI
1. A Cook
2. A Lyth
3. R Taylor
4. B McCullum
5. BJ Watling
6. L Ronchi
7. J Buttler+
8. M Craig
9. T Southee
10. S Broad
11. T Boult
The Composite 2-Why-Isn't-This-Actually-3 Test XI
1. A Cook - Back to his best, edges Watling for batsman of the series though both had completely different roles.
2. T Latham/M Guptill - can't separate them but would rather one of them over Lyth even if he did have one good century.
3. K Williamson - one excellent century (except for the final 20 runs or so) but dose 3 wickets! Getting Cook who played for Craig's turn, shrewd captaincy well executed by Kane.
4. J Root - 1st Test gets him in. 2nd Test proved he is mortal somewhat
5. BJ Watling - what do we need to say? God. Couldn't really consider him for keeping duties due to his 1 session of it.
6. B Stokes - First match still gets him in, was superb.
7. J Buttler+ - Perhaps a surprise choice but his 1st Test 50 was crucial I thought and I was thoroughly impressed by his 2nd second innings effort even if he did get out leaving. Wasn't huge fan of his glovework but neither was Ronchi (30+byes on debut) even though the latter bludgeoned a vital 88.
8. M Craig - haters gonna hate but the windy conditions dried out the pitch and he capitalised. Also some very vital runs in the 2nd Test. Performed better than Ali in both departments imo.
9. M Wood/T Southee - this was tricky. Southee's 4 in the first innings of the 2nd was important but wasn't at his best and Henry had a gunnish 1st test but went mostly missing in this one, that superb delivery to Ali aside. Wood was a wicket taker (SR of 48) and a decent find, not too shabby with the bat either!
10. S Broad - kept taking wickets even if it was the most expensive 5fer in history, but he still bowled well in the 1st Test and hit a determined NZ batting outfit in the 2nd.
11. T Boult - consummate professional even if his line was off in whole spells; would just adjust in the next one and come back swinging.
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
I am genuinely surprised in a good way as to how the blackcaps performed. 1-1 in England is very credible.
We are ranked 4th in the world, and if you had told me we would be that high 4 years ago I would have said you are dreaming.
Quality performance in this series. I think we might take Australia at home. Australia in Australia might be a bridge too far unless we were to select Adam Milne and he proved to be a revelation. Raw Pace seems to get rewarded there if you are wondering why I have brought Adam's name into the conversation.
We are ranked 4th in the world, and if you had told me we would be that high 4 years ago I would have said you are dreaming.
Quality performance in this series. I think we might take Australia at home. Australia in Australia might be a bridge too far unless we were to select Adam Milne and he proved to be a revelation. Raw Pace seems to get rewarded there if you are wondering why I have brought Adam's name into the conversation.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Why? He has played 2 tests...
Its not like we're England or Australia who play probably 5 more tests than us a year - and Aussie probably plays a lot more one dayers too. Its not like he just played a 5 test match series either.
He cannot be exhausted from playing 7 IPL games in two months. That is only 28 overs.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
I am a huge fan of Adam Milne but I am already resigned that he should become a pjyama cricketer solely. Too many injuries to be a test prospect long term. Prefer a decade of him in pyjama cricket than a couple of tests.
He needs to learn to bowl aggressively and accurately with short stuff to be a threat in Australia against Australians - which I have no doubt he will learn. But at the moment - he bowls too nice to be effective in the whites.
His pace is a weapon he needs to unleash more often.
I repeat that I am a massive fan of his and loved it when he had Younis Kahn (who had just pummeled Australia) in all sorts of bother.
He would be in my starting ODI XI over Mclenahan and Henry bowling as third seamer ala World Cup.
I would never select McClenahan unless there was a pandemic.
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Good questions
I guess they have been on the treadmill for a while here even before the IPL with the world cup etc.
I could care less about winning this bilateral ODI series and would rather we used some of our other very capable seam bowlers. Aotearoa is rich in the seam bowling department and at the end of the day ODIs are a batsman's game anyway. So long as Kane Ross, Brendon and Martin play then we will hold our own anyway.
Glad to hear NMac is back. He arguably should have played ahead of Vettori in the World Cup.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Sometimes CW doesn't let me like a post so I am replying to say good post.
He himself will be dissapointed if he never plays tests, but agree we don't want another Hamish Bennett situation in a test.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Th World Cup is ODI cricket - like one maybe two games a week. Like 10 or 20 overs a week?!Good questions
I guess they have been on the treadmill for a while here even before the IPL with the world cup etc.
What? That is a weak attitude. Can you imagine the All Blacks saying oh look we don't really care about this series? Just because you prefer test cricket to ODI cricket does not mean ODI cricket is not important. It probably still gets higher ratings. The fans still care. Test cricket may be the pinnacle for the players, but ODI cricket pays a lot of their salaries too.
If I have to watch McClenahan bowl instead of Boult I will be upset and borderline furious.
Piss poor argument. It should have always been Vettori (and was).
You really need to get with the program, The NZ cricketers are underpaid on a global comparison and one of the key reasons that McCullum and Hesson really want rectified is that we are not playing enough matches. We will play nearly 20 tests less than England over the next four years. The team wants longer series with more matches which will mean more match fees and bigger salaries. If we cannot get the teams to come here, we need to go there and play. To do that, the NZ team needs to be in demand.
The best teams who are winning teams are always in demand. People overseas will pay to watch Boult bowl and Williamson bat if they continue to improve into superstars.
Be honest - you want Boxing Day tests at the MCG - you want more regular tours of Australia and longer tours of England.
You may want more test cricket over ODI cricket, but you should still want more cricket.
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah don't get this at all. Even on one leg Vettori is a better bowler than NMac, and while his batting isn't what it used to be he still played a vital role in helping us get to the final with his trademark squirts and smears.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
@Grumpy - I am not responding to you as there was nothing to respond to you in your post. You basically just said I disagree with you hurricane and didn't give any reasons.
On the other hand I can sink my teeth into B's response.
I concede his batting in the semi was uber important, but was flukey. His batting failure and mode of dismissal in the final was unacceptable even if he wasn't alone as I can think of at least 3 other batsman who also played unacceptable innings.
Why did he even play in the final. On the first ball of the innings it went down to 3rd man and he had no wheels to get to the ball. Obviously that injury didn't happen during his 7 ball batting innings, so if it happened in warm ups why did he play in the final and jeopardise his team's chances of winning.
Also his bowling throughout the tournament was not Dan of old like. It was very good but not as good as he can be. And NMac was stellar in the India tour down here, and could have played an equal role with the ball and a better role with the bat. Dan's catch in the quarterfinal notwithstanding.
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GGG
State Captain
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Yeah - I have had enough of the Vettori or McCullum debate because there was not one in my view and Vettori's World Cup performances vindicated my stance. His economical and classy bowling is a thing of beauty that not only New Zealanders will no longer see, but his legions of fans around the globe. he really was widely respected in all cricketing circles for being such a class act at economy.
The whole McCullum is a better batter did not dissuade from Vettori's better economy which he maintained from the bygone era to the new. And I was confident his slashes, flicks and squirts would come through whereas while N McCullum can look a million dollars with the bat - is not so much a better batter to take Vettori's bowling gig.
GGG
State Captain
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