All Batsmen v All Bowlers

[smash84]

Here is a team (edited) of bona fide tail-enders (majority of ODI innings at 8-11). Not so sure that the Batters would romp it in - unless the pitch is completely dead;

01. Dave Richardson
02. Heath Streak
03. Lance Cairns
04. Mitchell Johnson
05. Brad Hogg
06. Brett Lee
07. Malcolm Marshall
08. Shane Warne
09. Andy Roberts
10. Wasim Akram
11. Joel Garner

despite a fair amount of ducks wasim could be handy with the bat. Don't think he belongs in this list

 

[G.I.Joe]

IMO the batsmen would take the Tests. ATG batsmen are capable of playing decent innings' against ATG bowlers a lot more than ATG bowlers are capable of playing similarly decent innings' against ATG batsmen rolling their arm over.

 

[smash84]

IMO the batsmen would take the Tests. ATG batsmen are capable of playing decent innings' against ATG bowlers a lot more than ATG bowlers are capable of playing similarly decent innings' against ATG batsmen rolling their arm over.

I would quite disagree. It is much more common for bowlers to stick it out with the bat than batsmen who rarely roll their arm over to get wickets.

 

[Shady Slim]

thinking back to the australia and india series, australia's bowlers had put together some decent innings with the bat, i think it was the second test where the indians couldn't break the feared Hazlewood/Lyon partnership?

but on the flip side you have ishant charging lyon on that first test so it depends on the way the tailenders bat

 

[G.I.Joe]

I would quite disagree. It is much more common for bowlers to stick it out with the bat than batsmen who rarely roll their arm over to get wickets.

But we're not talking bowlers who can hold a bat. The likes of Mitchell Johnson and Harbhajan Singh won't be batting against the part timers.

11 Glenn McGraths vs 11 Ricky Pontings? I'd back the Pontings to dismiss the McGraths for much cheaper than the Pontings score against the McGraths.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

But we're not talking bowlers who can hold a bat. The likes of Mitchell Johnson and Harbhajan Singh won't be batting against the part timers.

11 Glenn McGraths vs 11 Ricky Pontings? I'd back the Pontings to dismiss the McGraths for much cheaper than the Pontings score against the McGraths.

Why are we picking batsmen who can bowl to go against bowlers who can't bat? Not a very fair comparison.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Then if you put in a team of All-Rounders as part of the Tri Series, would they win easily?

 

[SteveNZ]

despite a fair amount of ducks wasim could be handy with the bat. Don't think he belongs in this list

I think one of the provisos would have to be that you haven't scored a Test 250.

 

[Red]

Trying to think of batsmen who have been legit **** with the ball and bowlers who have been legit **** with the bat.

Matt Hayden (zero international wickets)
David Boon (zero)
Justin Langer (zero)
Richie Richardson (one)
Sunny Gavaskar (two)
Gordon Greenidge (one)
Hashim Amla (zero)


Glenn McGrath (test fifty but really...)
Chris Martin
Courtney Walsh
Phil Tufnell
Devon Malcolm
Makhaya Ntini
Chandresehker
Steve Harmison

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Trying to think of batsmen who have been legit **** with the ball and bowlers who have been legit **** with the bat.

Matt Hayden (zero international wickets)
David Boon (zero)
Justin Langer (zero)
Richie Richardson (one)
Sunny Gavaskar (two)
Gordon Greenidge (one)
Hashim Amla (zero)


Glenn McGrath (test fifty but really...)
Chris Martin
Courtney Walsh
Phil Tufnell
Devon Malcolm
Makhaya Ntini
Chandresehker
Steve Harmison

More like it. True ineptitude on both sides.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Then if you put in a team of All-Rounders as part of the Tri Series, would they win easily?

Exactly. If we're only selecting bowlers who are McGrath level batsmen, then it's not very fair to select Ponting who was by all accounts a reasonable medium pacer.

 

[Red]

Ponting was a freak. Every time I saw him bowl I got the feeling he could've bowled a lot more and been very good, but his team hardly needed him to bowl with McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, Lee plus Symonds and Watto . If he'd bowled regularly he woulda taken a wicket or so per test I reckon. Nice outswingers.

 

[smash84]

But we're not talking bowlers who can hold a bat. The likes of Mitchell Johnson and Harbhajan Singh won't be batting against the part timers.

11 Glenn McGraths vs 11 Ricky Pontings? I'd back the Pontings to dismiss the McGraths for much cheaper than the Pontings score against the McGraths.

As pointed out this isn't a very apt comparison.

 

[nevermind]

Glenn McGrath bowling to a field set by Glenn McGrath (c) including a Glenn McGrath keeping wicket, a few Glenn McGrath's in the slips with another Glenn McGrath under the lid and an array of other Glenn McGrath's around the bat would be something really special.

God, just imagine it. Teapots everywhere.

 

[Athlai]

As per the ICC ODI Rankings

Best XI Bats

T Dilshan (3)
S Dhawan
H Amla
K Sangakkara (+)
V Kohli
AB de Villiers (1)
K Williamson (4)
MS Dhoni (2)
G Maxwell (5)
G Bailey
R Taylor

Best XI Bowlers

Shakib
M Starc
M Johnson
J Anderson
D Steyn
T Boult
M Morkel
S Narine
M Shami
I Tahir
S Ajmal


God you'd give it to the bats every day of the week surely.

 

[Daemon]

The better the pitches are for bowling, the more likely that the batsmen would be able to take 20 wickets imo.

On a flat pitch it'd just be a draw probably.

 

[cnerd123]

As per the ICC ODI Rankings

Best XI Bats

T Dilshan (3)
S Dhawan
H Amla
K Sangakkara (+)
V Kohli
AB de Villiers (1)
K Williamson (4)
MS Dhoni (2)
G Maxwell (5)
G Bailey
R Taylor

Best XI Bowlers

Shakib
M Starc
M Johnson
J Anderson
D Steyn
T Boult
M Morkel
S Narine
M Shami
I Tahir
S Ajmal


God you'd give it to the bats every day of the week surely.

I could envision the Mitches, Dale and Shakib smacking abt the part-timers on a flat pitch, before the bowlers all click in for some great spells to shoot out the batsmen.

 

[Athlai]

The better the pitches are for bowling, the more likely that the batsmen would be able to take 20 wickets imo.

On a flat pitch it'd just be a draw probably.

OP said ODI conditions. Different story in Tests.

 

[Athlai]

As per the ICC Test Rankings

Best XI Bats

D Warner
H Amla
K Sangakkara
Y Khan
AB de Villiers (2)
S Smith (3)
A Mathews (1)
K Williamson (4)
J Root
V Kohli
M-ul-Haq

Best XI Bowlers

M Johnson
R Harris
V Philander
S Broad
T Southee
T Boult
J Anderson
D Steyn
M Morkel
R Herath
S Ajmal

This one is a bit closer but I honestly can't see the bowlers blasting a batting lineup that deep out for less than 350. I don't think the bowlers could make that much, even against that woeful attack.

 

[cnerd123]

Why is Broad at 4. He should be at 11.