*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II

[GIMH]

I still think an up and coming heel killing the streak would've worked perfectly. Not to say that Lesnar doing it hasn't worked too (never thought they'd follow it up the way they did at Summerslam).

I don't want to rehash old ground but for me the streak going to a young guy would have suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

 

[sledger]

I don't want to rehash old ground but for me the streak going to a young guy would have suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

Yeah, the way Cesaro has panned out over the course of the last year is a prime example of how it could have been a huge mess if they had gone down that sort of route.

 

[andmark]

I don't want to rehash old ground but for me the streak going to a young guy would have suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

Losing to Lesnar has got to be even worse though given Lesnar has now been away for most of the year. Punk maybe?

 

[GIMH]

Losing to Lesnar has got to be even worse though given Lesnar has now been away for most of the year. Punk maybe?

Nah Lesnar breaking the streak has worked perfectly. And means whoever beats him (Reigns) has super credibility.

IMO of course.

I mean, Brock wouldn't have been my choice per se. But he's thrived off it.

I would have liked it to have gone to Cena myself. Would have taken a week off just to watch the internet burn.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I don't want to rehash old ground but for me the streak going to a young guy would have suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

Yeah, the way Cesaro has panned out over the course of the last year is a prime example of how it could have been a huge mess if they had gone down that sort of route.

Nah, would've worked great if they'd done it, right obviously. A young chicken**** ****y heel/ or even Bray with Wyatt family's interference would've been incredible. I mean, sure, it could have gone wrong, but so could Lesnar, so I don't get that argument. If Lesnar hadn't beaten Cena like he did at Summerslam, it just would've fallen flat for me. But surprise surprise, WWE handled it surprisingly brilliantly and it worked.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah Lesnar breaking the streak has worked perfectly. And means whoever beats him (Reigns) has super credibility.

IMO of course.

I mean, Brock wouldn't have been my choice per se. But he's thrived off it.

I would have liked it to have gone to Cena myself. Would have taken a week off just to watch the internet burn.

Again, that's one of the main reasons I'm still disappointed the Streak ended.... that Cena vs Taker match dammit... would've been off the charts spectacular. WWE could've made a whole ton of money too.

 

[andmark]

Nah Lesnar breaking the streak has worked perfectly. And means whoever beats him (Reigns) has super credibility.

IMO of course.

I mean, Brock wouldn't have been my choice per se. But he's thrived off it.

I would have liked it to have gone to Cena myself. Would have taken a week off just to watch the internet burn.

Nah, Lesnar winning the streak and then the title only to have 4 month breaks and the odd match feels pointless and I can't say he's thrived off it. He's not there enough to have thrived off it. He used it for nothing given he wouldn't have needed it to be a dominant champion. Not to mention the lack of meritocracy in giving one of the biggest things in wrestling to a guy who can't be bothered just feels stupid.

I cba with Cena though given that one of the rare valid points the iwc make is that he's already got enough accolades. I wouldn't have minded the streak not being broken at all tbh.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah, Lesnar winning the streak and then the title only to have 4 month breaks and the odd match feels pointless and I can't say he's thrived off it. He's not there enough to have thrived off it. He used it for nothing given he wouldn't have needed it to be a dominant champion. Not to mention the lack of meritocracy in giving one of the biggest things in wrestling to a guy who can't be bothered just feels stupid.

I cba with Cena though given that one of the rare valid points the iwc make is that he's already got enough accolades. I wouldn't have minded the streak not being broken at all tbh.

Gotta disagree completely there andmark. Lesnar beating the streak+destroying Cena at Summerslam is what established him as an unstoppable beast. Those two pieces of booking have taken him to completely different level to every other superstar and he is the man to beat and there's this great atmosphere in WWE right now of everyone thinking "How the hell can someone beat him?" which I've rarely ever seen in wrestling. It's been brilliant. And while I wish I saw Lesnar more, I can totally understand Vince's point that it keeps him a special attraction. It really does, because when he came out at the Rumble for the title match and started tossing around Cena, Rollins and J&J, I got goosebumps.

 

[andmark]

Gotta disagree completely there andmark. Lesnar beating the streak+destroying Cena at Summerslam is what established him as an unstoppable beast. Those two pieces of booking have taken him to completely different level to every other superstar and he is the man to beat and there's this great atmosphere in WWE right now of everyone thinking "How the hell can someone beat him?" which I've rarely ever seen in wrestling. It's been brilliant. And while I wish I saw Lesnar more, I can totally understand Vince's point that it keeps him a special attraction. It really does, because when he came out at the Rumble for the title match and started tossing around Cena, Rollins and J&J, I got goosebumps.

But it's been obvious for months that Reigns is going to beat him. It's been obvious since Summerslam and so, at least for me, there's been no intrigue. No one has been a serious threat to him and frankly that just means it's been a boring title reign rather than some epic showing of his domination.

 

[OverratedSanity]

But it's been obvious for months that Reigns is going to beat him. It's been obvious since Summerslam and so, at least for me, there's been no intrigue. No one has been a serious threat to him and frankly that just means it's been a boring title reign rather than some epic showing of his domination.

Yeah, the Reigns thing is annoying, but I don't think it's been boring at all. The Rumble match could quite easily have ended in a loss because it was a triple threat and he didn't need to be pinned... the entire sequence in the match where Cena and Rollins were going at it while Lesnar had been taken out by the flying elbow on the table was so tense. And then to assert his dominance, he just beats both of them anyway. It certainly has succeeded in portraying him as the most dominant champion ever imo.

 

[andmark]

Yeah, the Reigns thing is annoying, but I don't think it's been boring at all. The Rumble match could quite easily have ended in a loss because it was a triple threat and he didn't need to be pinned... the entire sequence in the match where Cena and Rollins were going at it while Lesnar had been taken out by the flying elbow on the table was so tense. And then to assert his dominance, he just beats both of them anyway. It certainly has succeeded in portraying him as the most dominant champion ever imo.

Nah, they only put Rollins in that match to stop it being Lesnar vs Cena yet again. The thing with that match was that Lesnar spent much of it outside the ring and whatnot, rather than in the fighting which makes it questionable as to whether he can put on a WM main event quality match with Reigns- a guy who is extremely green and only been wrestling for a couple of years (as opposed to the 15 years of Cena and the 12 years of Rollins- according to wiki). All this talk about part timers reminds me of the time Michaels said "I lost my smile" because he was champ haha.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah, they only put Rollins in that match to stop it being Lesnar vs Cena yet again. The thing with that match was that Lesnar spent much of it outside the ring and whatnot, rather than in the fighting which makes it questionable as to whether he can put on a WM main event quality match with Reigns- a guy who is extremely green and only been wrestling for a couple of years (as opposed to the 15 years of Cena and the 12 years of Rollins- according to wiki).

Regardless of why they put Rollins in the match, making it triple threat added a bit of tension... I still knew deep down Brock would win, but when Cena hit an AA on Rollins, my stomach dropped. And Brock still won... he pretty much beat the two other top guys in the company apart from him on his own despite taking what was it... 4 AA's, a curb stomp, multiple briefcase shots to the head, and interference from J&J, and an epic elbow through the table which busted his ribs.

Key point:This sort of booking would've felt ridiculous if Lesnar already didn't have the Taker victory and the Summerslam demolition of Cena behind him. These three matches... WM 30 vs Taker, Summerslam vs Cena and RR 2015 have all progressively built Lesnar into more and more of an unstoppable monster. And we'd buy none of it had Taker not lost.

 

[OverratedSanity]

And the thing about the mania match vs Reigns possibly sucking is true, but that has nothing to do with Lesnar's reign after the streak was broken.

 

[andmark]

Regardless of why they put Rollins in the match, making it triple threat added a bit of tension... I still knew deep down Brock would win, but when Cena hit an AA on Rollins, my stomach dropped. And Brock still won... he pretty much beat the two other top guys in the company apart from him on his own despite taking what was it... 4 AA's, a curb stomp, multiple briefcase shots to the head, and interference from J&J, and an epic elbow through the table which busted his ribs.

Key point:This sort of booking would've felt ridiculous if Lesnar already didn't have the Taker victory and the Summerslam demolition of Cena behind him. These three matches... WM 30 vs Taker, Summerslam vs Cena and RR 2015 have all progressively built Lesnar into more and more of an unstoppable monster. And we'd buy none of it had Taker not lost.

I suppose they could have had him face Batista at WM (in the meantime avoiding that disastrous Royal Rumble) and built it up in terms of a superfight and have him completely dominate Batista. In fairness though I'm going to say anything which stops Lesnar breaking the streak because the thought of a part timer winning the streak rather than someone who wrestles 300 matches a year makes me sick!

 

[GIMH]

Again, that's one of the main reasons I'm still disappointed the Streak ended.... that Cena vs Taker match dammit... would've been off the charts spectacular. WWE could've made a whole ton of money too.

Yeah if Rock hadn't come back they'd have done it IMO, though I don't think Cena would have won

IMO they should still do it as a mania match, they've never feuded since Cena was a top player and if Taker is up to it they'll tear the house down. Next year maybe.

 

[GIMH]

Andmark why are you so bothered about Brock being part time?

IMO you couldn't book him how he has been if he was full time without it getting stale

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah if Rock hadn't come back they'd have done it IMO, though I don't think Cena would have won

IMO they should still do it as a mania match, they've never feuded since Cena was a top player and if Taker is up to it they'll tear the house down. Next year maybe.

Would be a great match no doubt but having the streak on the line would've taken it through the roof. Should've done it at 29. Cena vs rock 2 was just unnecessary, but Cena's gotta get his damn win back I guess.

 

[andmark]

Because the guys who are there wrestling every week hoping to get a chance with the title, only for some part timer to come out the woodwork and win it. It's a punch in the face of meritocracy. Not to mention I like seeing the champion maintain the importance of the title as the usual ME of PPVs.

 

[GIMH]

Because the guys who are there wrestling every week hoping to get a chance with the title, only for some part timer to come out the woodwork and win it. It's a punch in the face of meritocracy. Not to mention I like seeing the champion maintain the importance of the title as the usual ME of PPVs.

So I would argue that the title loses importance when it's defended on every PPV to an extent, especially when it's changing hands each time.

 

[GIMH]

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