9th Match - New Zealand v England

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Of course not, Steve. Look how Jeets was vilified for his batting versus South Africa. England aren't likely to put up with that sort of craven performance from Broad; especially if he isn't contributing handsomely with the ball. It isn't good enough. England are having to deal with a lot of players out of form at the same time - Morgan, Ballance, Bopara, they really can't afford to have someone else not contributing.

Just thinking back again to Broad - was it during the English 2014 summer that he was swatting balls for 6 off his nose (and then duly wore one through the helmet) - or was that pre-Johnson?

 

[SteveNZ]

Of course not, Steve. Look how Jeets was vilified for his batting versus South Africa. England aren't likely to put up with that sort of craven performance from Broad; especially if he isn't contributing handsomely with the ball. It isn't good enough. England are having to deal with a lot of players out of form at the same time - Morgan, Ballance, Bopara, they really can't afford to have someone else not contributing.

Just thinking back again to Broad - was it during the English 2014 summer that he was swatting balls for 6 off his nose (and then duly wore one through the helmet) - or was that pre-Johnson?

Exactly right. We have a parallel of sorts in Southee, but our top order is firing to the point it doesn't matter. Broad doesn't need to average 40...20 and a number of balls faced would do sufficiently to bat with a top order player or hold up a slide. Even then, I'd back Tim to at least try to get in line when he had to.

 

[Goughy]

The fact England could come out and say they were surprised by the swing in NZ is slightly baffling. The fact they could then come out, after seeing it swing, and bowl so many deliveries so short makes you wonder if anyone had so much as a single thought at any time during the innings.

Part of the problem is that they think too much and try and be too clever. There are plans for everything and a scientific approach. That is all well and good but for a while now they have lost sight of just being able to play good, simple cricket.

I believe in bowling plans but they are best used as a developed back up plan when putting the ball in traditionally good areas isnt working and not as a direct replacement.

 

[Viscount Tom]

I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not the two people who voted England in the poll did it as a joke or did it seriously expecting us to win.

 

[Furball]

Of course not, Steve. Look how Jeets was vilified for his batting versus South Africa. England aren't likely to put up with that sort of craven performance from Broad; especially if he isn't contributing handsomely with the ball. It isn't good enough. England are having to deal with a lot of players out of form at the same time - Morgan, Ballance, Bopara, they really can't afford to have someone else not contributing.

Just thinking back again to Broad - was it during the English 2014 summer that he was swatting balls for 6 off his nose (and then duly wore one through the helmet) - or was that pre-Johnson?

IIRC that was the home leg of the Ashes.

 

[Immenso]

No, last eng summer. 2 sixes in a row off Aaron then one stuck in the grill and a broken nose.

So a broken foot by Mitch and broken nose by Aaron in6 months

 

[Zinzan]

Gotta love the cynicism from the English re the ECB powers at be......

 

[Zinzan]

Contemplating how many of the current English side would make a combined NZ/Eng side right now.

I suppose there's an argument for Moeen Ali to open ahead of Guptill (with the bowling value), Morgan ahead of Elliott & Anderson ahead of Milne, with a battle between Southee, Anderson & Boult as to who gets the new ball.

I'll pass on Ian Bell thanks, I think Moeen & Bmac would be better openers & there's no way Bell would replace Williamson or Taylor at 3 or 4.

I'll pass on Stuart Broad, not a good enough attitude nor is he a good enough fielder to fit into the NZ side,

Buttler has some genuine promise as a hitter, but Ronchi is better.

Thoughts?

 

[Cabinet96]

Broad still worried about the foot that Johnson crushed, I guess.

Yeah, this is a very recent thing with Broad. This is man who scored a Test 169 against an attack featuring Amir and Wahab, and looked every inch a batsman throughout the whole innings. Now I know the integrity of that entire game is under suspicion, but that doesn't change the fact that they bowled quick and swung the ball late. Johnson has really, really got inside Broad's head, and it's been a lasting effect -- either because he's not fully healed from an injury yet or because he's just mentally shot now. He's shown little to no application with the bat for a while now, but when the ball beat his outside edge and yet still managed to go over middle and leg against Boult, it finally dawned on me that there was something seriously wrong.

I think the lack of application in his batting has been a very long term thing, and it pisses me off, but I understand if he's a bit scared of the ball these days. A lot of ****'s happened in the last year and a bit. Facing Johnson with the whole of Australia's sensing blood, braking his foot in that series, having his nose rearranged by Aaron in August, and the Hughes thing. In ODI's now bowlers are going to predominantly aim for his toes and his face and he just probably doesn't fancy it anymore batting at nine.

 

[Hurricane]

Contemplating how many of the current English side would make a combined NZ/Eng side right now.

I suppose there's an argument for Moeen Ali to open ahead of Guptill (with the bowling value), Morgan ahead of Elliott & Anderson ahead of Milne, with a battle between Southee, Anderson & Boult as to who gets the new ball.

I'll pass on Ian Bell thanks, I think Moeen & Bmac would be better openers & there's no way Bell would replace Williamson or Taylor at 3 or 4.

I'll pass on Stuart Broad, not a good enough attitude nor is he a good enough fielder to fit into the NZ side,

Buttler has some genuine promise as a hitter, but Ronchi is better.

Thoughts?

Root and Bell are the quality batsman not Morgan (on present form) or Ali.

Bell to Open. Root to number 5

 

[theegyptian]

Contemplating how many of the current English side would make a combined NZ/Eng side right now.

I suppose there's an argument for Moeen Ali to open ahead of Guptill (with the bowling value), Morgan ahead of Elliott & Anderson ahead of Milne, with a battle between Southee, Anderson & Boult as to who gets the new ball.

I'll pass on Ian Bell thanks, I think Moeen & Bmac would be better openers & there's no way Bell would replace Williamson or Taylor at 3 or 4.

I'll pass on Stuart Broad, not a good enough attitude nor is he a good enough fielder to fit into the NZ side,

Buttler has some genuine promise as a hitter, but Ronchi is better.

Thoughts?

We get it. Nz are the better team right now with the better players.

 

[anil1405]

There is no way I'd have Moeen opening in these conditions. Agreed that his bowling is a plus but Guptill ahead for me.

 

[Zinzan]

Root and Bell are the quality batsman not Morgan (on present form) or Ali.

Bell to Open. Root to number 5

Ahh, I totally forgot about Root tbh, In fact I'd open with Root & Bmac & have Morgan at 5. We have enough Cake (yes, I'm cringing using that word) with Root, Williamson, Taylor & Morgan as it is, so I'll pass on Ian Bell even though I'm a massive fan of his test batting.

 

[Zinzan]

We get it. Nz are the better team right now with the better players.

Wow, that was a tad touchy fella Just doing a hypothetical, sorry..

 

[Cabinet96]

Ronchi has sort of sneaked ahead of Buttler, who's not had a great time of it recently.

 

[Zinzan]

Ronchi has sort of sneaked ahead of Buttler, who's not had a great time of it recently.

Yeah, I'd have Buttler as keeper in most sides going around too given his ability to score quickly, but Ronchi is a bit special atm.

 

[Binkley]

It's been a couple of days now since I was at the stadium, but I still feel hyped. I keep checking the internet to see if someone has written something new and insightful about how awesome New Zealand were.

 

[Prince EWS]

Root and Bell are the quality batsman not Morgan (on present form) or Ali.

Bell to Open. Root to number 5

Yeah Zinzan always has an icing bias.

Guptill and Elliott are cake players in NZ's team anyway; replacing them with Bell and Root makes the most sense.

 

[Zinzan]

Yeah Zinzan always has an icing bias.

Guptill and Elliott are cake players in NZ's team anyway; replacing them with Bell and Root makes the most sense.

I am partial to a nice thick icing admittedly, but Root (opening), Williamson, Taylor & Morgan (replacing Elliott at 5) is a lot of cake in your top 5. Morgan, like Elliott can be both the butter & the scone. Including Bell as well makes it a little too bland overall.

 

[ImpatientLime]

root ain't an international opener. he should not be considered for that role.