***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2014/15

[Flem274*]

Bruce (Y)
Dougeh (Y)

Is Ben Smith injured?

 

[straw man]

Pleased to see Henry pick up the Wellington openers (esp power papps) in the second innings after he was quiet in the first innings. Astle's wicket balls impressive too - a little quicker through his action than I've seen and some nice loop and turn.

 

[CharlesLara]

Pleased to see Henry pick up the Wellington openers (esp power papps) in the second innings after he was quiet in the first innings. Astle's wicket balls impressive too - a little quicker through his action than I've seen and some nice loop and turn.

Yeah gotta agree with the Astle comments. That late drift is key and he seems he needed to be quicker through the air to give himself a larger area to land. The slower you bowl the less margin for error. Love leggies picking up wickets.

 

[Chubb]

Yeah gotta agree with the Astle comments. That late drift is key and he seems he needed to be quicker through the air to give himself a larger area to land. The slower you bowl the less margin for error. Love leggies picking up wickets.

Yes, Astle is bowling much quicker than when he got his test cap judging from what I saw. Alecz Day couldn't get close to him, his dismissal had an inevitability about it. He was stuck on the crease playing and missing and then thumped on the pads plumb.

This may have been covered before, but why is Hira not bowling?

 

[CharlesLara]

Yes, Astle is bowling much quicker than when he got his test cap judging from what I saw. Alecz Day couldn't get close to him, his dismissal had an inevitability about it. He was stuck on the crease playing and missing and then thumped on the pads plumb.

This may have been covered before, but why is Hira not bowling?

Good to know.

In terms of Ronnie, I'm pretty close with him and I get the impression that he's not interested in the longer form bowling wise. He's been like that for a while, why I'm not particularly sure and it actually makes him less versatile as a squad member. Also it cannot be bad for your bowling getting overs. It's gotta be something he doesn't wanna do, which I don't agree with cause I think he could become a far more rounded bowler.

 

[Immenso]

On the Wellington, Siddons, development discussion.

With Blundell getting his chance with the Firebirds last year and looking top class, I’m not sure what this means …..


Does this reflect well on Pearce Cup, and mean that there are a few more out there like him.

Does this reflect badly on Pearce Cup, and you have to question why a former NZ U19 player took until he was 24 until he was First Class ready.

Or does it just reflect badly on the Firebirds set up and their overseas coaches who are too disconnected from grass roots cricket to have even seen him play let alone judge his talent.

The story of Stephen Murdoch suggests that it is likely the “reflect badly on the Firebirds set up” answer - as he was a form NZU19s player gunning it at club and Wellington B level, who has looked at home when finally given a prolonged run at about age 27ish. But that delay/ignore was under Anthony Stuart’s reign rather than Siddons.

Why has Fraser Colson not progressed from NZ U19s to provincial cricket?

Henry Walsh, another former NZ U19s player will be very interesting to watch, as he is coming to the Blundell/Colson crossroads.

Let alone Weerasundera for whom Kippax is already developing a lover-spurned relationship over his already stalling development ….


But on a positive note, Ryder has been replaced in the starting lineup by local lad Michael Pollard.

With Matt Taylor, Peter Younghusband, Ian McPeake, Tugaga – along with the already mentioned Walsh, Blundell – there are now quite a few young local club products now in and around the squad, (as there will need to be as the Franklin, Elliot, Patel, Gillespie, Arnel, McKay hole opens up over the next 2 years).

It does seem more positive than under Anthony Stuart, he and his entourage (some of who are still there?) ...hmmm ...



BTW, I don’t have a problem with Joon IF there are no good local young openers. But I don’t know Pearce Cup well at all, my club doesn’t have a top flight team so I am quite disconnected from all that.

 

[Bahnz]

It'll be interesting to see how things develop with the two leggies. It must be getting increasingly obvious even to the selectors that they backed the wrong horse 18 months ago when they went with Sodhi over Astle. For the moment it doesn't really matter, as Craig as has established himself and NZ don't have any tours in the next year that will require two spinners. But in the longer run it will be interesting to see whether the sheer weight of wickets that Astle has been amassing will be enough to bring him into the fold, or whether Sodhi's youth will continue to hold sway in the selectors decision-making.

 

[Flem274*]

Please tell me Joon didn't get Brownlie on 50+ with some spin...

 

[hendrix]

Jeet but yeah...

When he gets a recall as opener (which I'm for, btw), any captain who doesn't bring on a spinner at the first available opportunity has not done his research.

 

[Flem274*]

Oops mixed the name up with the Wellington bloke.

So Jimmy Franklin isn't coming back to Wellington. That's going to leave a huge hole.

 

[Mike5181]

It'll be interesting to see how things develop with the two leggies. It must be getting increasingly obvious even to the selectors that they backed the wrong horse 18 months ago when they went with Sodhi over Astle. For the moment it doesn't really matter, as Craig as has established himself and NZ don't have any tours in the next year that will require two spinners. But in the longer run it will be interesting to see whether the sheer weight of wickets that Astle has been amassing will be enough to bring him into the fold, or whether Sodhi's youth will continue to hold sway in the selectors decision-making.

Sodhi's been very good recently in both first-class and List A cricket, so I doubt it.

 

[Bahnz]

Sodhi's been very good recently in both first-class and List A cricket, so I doubt it.

I wouldn't say he's been very good this season. He rapped up the tail for pennies in a game v Otago earlier in the season and has otherwise been pretty quiet in the Plunket Shield.

 

[Mike5181]

Ah right, the ol' "if you take out this performance" he's been ordinary thing. Not that it works in this case anyway because six of his eight wickets in that match were top seven bats.

 

[Bahnz]

Ah right, the ol' "if you take out this performance" he's been ordinary thing. Not that it works in this case anyway because six of his eight wickets in that match were top seven bats.

I usually am of the same opinion about these sorts of arguments. But when you have a player producing one result that is a massive outlier relative to his regular performances, it's valid to view his overall stats with some skepticism. In this case Sodhi took a third of his wickets in one innings at an average of 5, relative to his overall season average of 30. That's a ridiculous difference and it's worth taking into consideration. Throw in the fact that he took another couple of tail-end wickets for nothing against a bum-rushed Wellington side, and overall his season looks only steady imo.

 

[hendrix]

Steady being a general improvement on his career so far.

But yeah I'd still be sticking with him at the moment.

 

[Hurricane]

On the Wellington, Siddons, development discussion.

With Blundell getting his chance with the Firebirds last year and looking top class, I’m not sure what this means …..


Does this reflect well on Pearce Cup, and mean that there are a few more out there like him.

Does this reflect badly on Pearce Cup, and you have to question why a former NZ U19 player took until he was 24 until he was First Class ready.

Or does it just reflect badly on the Firebirds set up and their overseas coaches who are too disconnected from grass roots cricket to have even seen him play let alone judge his talent.

The story of Stephen Murdoch suggests that it is likely the “reflect badly on the Firebirds set up” answer - as he was a form NZU19s player gunning it at club and Wellington B level, who has looked at home when finally given a prolonged run at about age 27ish. But that delay/ignore was under Anthony Stuart’s reign rather than Siddons.

Why has Fraser Colson not progressed from NZ U19s to provincial cricket?

Henry Walsh, another former NZ U19s player will be very interesting to watch, as he is coming to the Blundell/Colson crossroads.

Let alone Weerasundera for whom Kippax is already developing a lover-spurned relationship over his already stalling development ….


But on a positive note, Ryder has been replaced in the starting lineup by local lad Michael Pollard.

With Matt Taylor, Peter Younghusband, Ian McPeake, Tugaga – along with the already mentioned Walsh, Blundell – there are now quite a few young local club products now in and around the squad, (as there will need to be as the Franklin, Elliot, Patel, Gillespie, Arnel, McKay hole opens up over the next 2 years).

It does seem more positive than under Anthony Stuart, he and his entourage (some of who are still there?) ...hmmm ...



BTW, I don’t have a problem with Joon IF there are no good local young openers. But I don’t know Pearce Cup well at all, my club doesn’t have a top flight team so I am quite disconnected from all that.

which club do you play for...

 

[Bahnz]

Wags rediscovering a bit of form is good to see, even if Dougeh took him go the cleaners later on. Incidentally Dougeh's all round efforts this season are totes ridic: 23 wix at 13, and 238 runs at 48.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

which club do you play for...

Not many clubs without a top tier team these days after a period of mergers and foldings. Stokes Valley and Northern Park are the only two left in the Hutt, I think? Probably a few more in Wellington - Brooklyn at least.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

jimmy bakes > henry

 

[SeamUp]

There is a young SA u19 opener, Ryan Rickelton, who just finished school and is over in NZL for the WC before he goes to Banger with SA u19s. Heard he is killing club. Anywhere I can find out his scores in Wellington ?

EDIT: Found out he is already playing Wellington 'A' - http://scoring.blackcaps.co.nz/livescoring/match2514/scorecard.aspx