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Mohammed Amir cleared to return with immediate effect
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cnerd123
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See now that is worthy of a lifetime ban IMO.
smash84
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fredfertang
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You're a hard man sledger, that's only a small step away from taking the view he should have his bowling arm cut off
Personally I'm delighted to see him back and look forward to him taking a shed load of wickets - do hope he's had a haircut though
marc71178
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But why is he any different to any other uneducated Pakistani criminal? Especially seeing as he was educated against the crime he committed. Why should he be a special case?
cnerd123
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I would offer a second chance to Amir if he committed non-cricket crimes under similar circumstances TBH
Agent Nationaux
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Because he has the opportunity to change his and his family's future. Not every Pakistani criminal has that opportunity. It would be nice if they did have the means and skills to do so but that is how it is.
sledger
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Nah, his haircut was the best bit imo.
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He is a special case because he's a gun. If he wasn't so good, I'll freely admit I wouldn't be too fussed if he was hounded out for good. The game needs guns back and firing more than making an example of him, in my opinion, because we're talking about entertainment here and he's entertaining. He didn't kill anyone, no animals were harmed in the making of his corruption, I wanna see him back.
smash84
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What kind of an argument is this?
sledger
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A really really **** one.What kind of an argument is this?
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I just don't agree with AN and Fusion's points in this thread at all, because giving more priority to Amir's rehabilitation than to the integrity of the sport makes no sense at all. He blew his chance at having a career by being a damn cheat. Him getting back into the Pakistan team will make the game a joke because instantly all the attention will shift from the contest between bat and ball to thinking about why he overstepped, or why he just bowled that wide, or why he tucked in that towel into his pants. Like it or not, it will make watching the game a very uncomfortable and unpleasant experience. It'll also be very unsavoury for the cricketers on the pitch.
Say he got banned for life. He can't play international cricket. Boo ****ing hoo. Like you all said, Amir's young. Get another job somewhere, it's hardly the end of the world.
Say he got banned for life. He can't play international cricket. Boo ****ing hoo. Like you all said, Amir's young. Get another job somewhere, it's hardly the end of the world.
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At the time I thought a life ban was for the best. But when I heard he was coming back my first reaction was just excitement at seeing him bowl again. I kind of find it hard to sustain the argument that him playing again devalues the contest when I'm personally so much more likely to watch when he's involved.
Fusion
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The integrity of the sport will survive. Forget spot fixing, cricket has survived match fixing in the past. Let's not overreact. Here's a wager I'll make: Even with Amir back in the sport, people will continue to watch cricket. Yes, even Pakistani matches. They may "wonder" every time he oversteps, but they'll get over it.
I'm going to sound repetitive, but Amir served his time. The governing body of the sport is satisfied with his punishment and has allowed him to come back. As ***** has stated in this thread, the ICC has also established a precedent with Amir that if any cricketer feels pressured or threatened to fix games, they can contact the ICC and receive assistance/protection. If they get caught fixing, they'll receive a long ban. And yes, 5 years is a long ban as in most cases as it will be hard to come back from that much time missed. Repeat offenders can get banned for life. That's not a bad way to handle this at all IMO.
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Ever wonder why match fixing didn't totally kill the integrity of the sport? It's because the fixers never played cricket again.
And I'm not saying people won't watch cricket anymore, if anything it'll probably draw in more viewership that this banned guy is coming back. My only problem is the "wondering" you mentioned. That just soils the game so badly for me. Just banning Amir forever would've simplified everything.
Also, there was this post I read here a while back which basically went like : "For every match Amir plays, a completely honest cricketer in Pakistan misses out". It bothers me so much that people want Amir to redeem himself at the expense of a youngster with a spotless record. It's just unfair.
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Fusion
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You think all the fixers were caught? The ICC just skimmed the surface, at least when it comes to Pakistan. So most got away with it and had long and storied careers. People kept "wondering" about them, but they played on anyway. At least in this case, Amir was caught and served his punishment. There is no wondering if he was involved or not. We know he was. He was punished and now is coming back after serving his punishment. He will be under a massive amount of scrutiny. I think it's safe to say that if he tries something, he'll be caught again.
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I never said all fixers were caught. I said no one who was ever caught fixing ever played again. Amir's case is completely unprecedented.
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Gibbs and Williams were only given small bans, though in practice they never 100% fixed. I think Jadeja was only given an Amir-length ban too, though I don't remember his case.