***Official*** India and England in Australia ODI Tri-Series 2015

[theegyptian]

Eng #4 favorites now?

Fifth with the bookies which is pretty outlandish given how average they are.

Really is a magnificent opportunity for SA or NZ to win a first world cup. Really are some weak teams.

Teams like Pakistan and West Indies who've been devastated by bowling bans and board problems seem like non entities at this point.

England ain't winning it and India look shot although I wouldn't rule them out.

Leaves Aus, SA and NZ as the only teams with realistic chances imo with Australia a good way ahead.

 

[GIMH]

Ode to Jono

What do we have to do to have our quarter-final game (assuming we get through) in NZ? Would fancy us more in games in NZ as long as they aren't against NZ, or Saffa.

 

[BigBrother]

Teams like Pakistan and West Indies who've been devastated by bowling bans and board problems seem like non entities at this point.

Pakistan bowling bans are for spinners, they have hardly ever been good enough to be game changers in Australia anyways. Also not convinced WI bowlers missing were good enough to make their chances much better anyways.

 

[theegyptian]

What do we have to do to have our quarter-final game (assuming we get through) in NZ? Would fancy us more in games in NZ as long as they aren't against NZ, or Saffa.

Think if England get through their qf is Melbourne regardless. ICC reveals World Cup quarter-final venues | England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) - The Official Website of the ECB

 

[theegyptian]

Pakistan bowling bans are for spinners, they have hardly ever been game changers in Australia anyways. I'm not convinced WI bowlers missing are good enough to make their chances much better anyways.

Narine and Ajmal are big misses even if the conditions aren't in their favour imo. And unless Hafeez is cleared for bowling Pakistan seem to have big balance problems. It certainly significantly reduces their chances of beating a NZ or SA in a knockout game imo

 

[viriya]

Fifth with the bookies which is pretty outlandish given how average they are.

Really is a magnificent opportunity for SA or NZ to win a first world cup. Really are some weak teams.

Teams like Pakistan and West Indies who've been devastated by bowling bans and board problems seem like non entities at this point.

England ain't winning it and India look shot although I wouldn't rule them out.

Leaves Aus, SA and NZ as the only teams with realistic chances imo with Australia a good way ahead.

Agreed except I think you're underselling Eng a bit.. I can see them having a lot of low scoring games when their bowling line-up gets some assistance. Bell firing has made the batting look solid as well.

 

[theegyptian]

Agreed except I think you're underselling Eng a bit.. I can see them having a lot of low scoring games when their bowling line-up gets some assistance. Bell firing has made the batting look solid as well.

Hard for myself to be dispassionate about England as a fan but unfortunately I really think they have no chance. Too many average players and lack any real quality players.

The one caveat to all discussions about the world cup is the timeframe and the fact that it's still nearly 50 days away from the qfs and a lot can go wrong or right in that time for teams. Plenty of time for India still to come good if they're not too disheartened. Australia imo are the only team that could lose any player and not really be that worse off.

 

[GIMH]

Think if England get through their qf is Melbourne regardless. ICC reveals World Cup quarter-final venues | England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) - The Official Website of the ECB

Ah bummer.

 

[anil1405]

Hard for myself to be dispassionate about England as a fan but unfortunately I really think they have no chance. Too many average players and lack any real quality players.

I'd probably had the same feeling before the start of this tri-series but certain players are starting to find form at the right time. And this is arguably the best chance for any team to win as there are no clear favourites so I wouldn't write England off just yet.

 

[Spark]

What do we have to do to have our quarter-final game (assuming we get through) in NZ? Would fancy us more in games in NZ as long as they aren't against NZ, or Saffa.

The way the QFs are allocated, if it's NZ it's almost certainly against NZ.

 

[Furball]

Yeah I think the best and most absording ODIs are ones where the team batting first sets 250-270 and the chase ebbs and flows. 250 has probably become too an easy a chase in the modern game so I'd probably stretch that out closer to the 270 mark now.

Depends what the pitch and conditions are like, 220's still a toughie under the right (or wrong) circumstances.

 

[Furball]

ps I reckon England will win the tourney.

 

[Flem274*]

Sri Lanka should round out the obvious top 4 because while they're not complete they have fantastic top four batting and bowling, but I've been picking England to go far for a while now. They're infuriating like that.

 

[SteveNZ]

Now if anyone didn't enjoy that game last night, I don't hold out much hope for them. Two guys showed what could be done with a bit of guts and application - and that's absorbing to watch (or it should be). No character is revealed setting and chasing 350, or at least a lot less.

 

[Cabinet96]

The Final of this series (i.e the India vs. Australia match in Perth) is on the same day of the Australian Open final. FFS.

Yeah, it's a big dilemma. Not sure whether I'd rather watch Djokovic win the open or England beat Australia. At least they don't start at the same time.

Jono mate, have you decided what you're going to be doing?

 

[Prince EWS]

Depends what the pitch and conditions are like, 220's still a toughie under the right (or wrong) circumstances.

Yeah it can be, but even when it's a tough chase it rarely has anything to do with run rate pressure. A 200-220 chase on a really bowler-friendly wicket just becomes like a one innings Test match. Now I obviously understand why Test diehards would prefer such a thing, and I definitely prefer Tests too, for me an ODI has its own charm and that takes something away from it.

 

[Cabinet96]

Thing is when you scoring at 3 an over 4-5 an over does have it's own kind of run rate pressure. It many ways more than 7 an over if you're scoring at 8 an over. People always say run rate doesn't matter in those really low chases but you can't actually just go at 2 an over in any ODI situation.

 

[Adders]

Jono mate, have you decided what you're going to be doing?

Yesssss!!!

Hopefully Murray gets up and really ****s up Jonos weekend.

 

[GIMH]

Jono mate, have you decided what you're going to be doing?

Yessssssssssss

 

[grecian]

I dunno about England, I'm certainly not optimistic, but if you look at our good form when we got to number 1, and our t20 wc win, it came from solid four specialist bowlers doing their job, and not getting whacked. Yes KP was POTT in the t20 world cup, but all our bowlers(including Yardy) were remarkably solid.

Some praise needs to be given to Woakes, because lets face it many of us didn't rate him in this form. I didn't rate him in any form, but most of the Woakes fans here cried about him playing ODI's because it was ruining him for tests boo-hoo. Yet **** me fair play to him, he's upped his pace, he's started to bowl with real intelligence and has now become a vital part of the side. Takes wickets in middle overs.

I would say well done to the selectors for picking him, but they've also picked the likes of Dernbach, Gurney, Rankin and Jordan concurrently, so I reckon they probably just got lucky here..

He certainly helps in being a pretty decent number 8 too.