***Official*** India and England in Australia ODI Tri-Series 2015

[OverratedSanity]

Bleed_Blue - Dhoni183* proving to be an immensely effective heel tag team in the wake of WW-Blocky finally being defeated. Who will step up to defeat this two man power trip?

 

[hendrix]

I heard they are not going to flatten the WACA out slightly, ridiculous, I hope it isn't a short match. SA and Australia skittled each other out for 150 odd recently in the odi series at this same ground. Who wants to watch such a seamer dominating match, particularly as the world cup is close, you want everyone to be tested fairly and warm up.

It's ridiculous for you to suggest they flatten it out.

 

[Dhoni_183*]

It's ridiculous for you to suggest they flatten it out.

Not fully hendrix. Enough so we get a full game. Paying crowd, world cup is close, players need practice. I don't think a combined 40 over match with a slow run rate will do anyone any favours. The bowlers will get a false sense of confidence, batsmen will not have their technique truly tested and fans will leave early. I vividly remember that Aus v SA match and felt it was appalling. Mind you India's seam and maybe even England's is not as good as SA/Aus to do that kind of damage.

 

[theegyptian]

Fact is that with a world cup incoming the groundsmen will need a couple of fresh strips for that, so some of the other wickets on the square are going to be overused. Also with televised matches there are generally only a certain amount of wickets on the square that can be used because of camera positioning or so I'm led to believe.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Not fully hendrix. Enough so we get a full game. Paying crowd, world cup is close, players need practice. I don't think a combined 40 over match with a slow run rate will do anyone any favours. The bowlers will get a false sense of confidence, batsmen will not have their technique truly tested and fans will leave early. I vividly remember that Aus v SA match and felt it was appalling. Mind you India's seam and maybe even England's is not as good as SA/Aus to do that kind of damage.

If batsmen's techniques aren't tested in trying conditions i don't know when they are.

 

[Dhoni_183*]

If batsmen's techniques aren't tested in trying conditions i don't know when they are.

There's a balance. On some pitches no technique or approach is rewarded because it's heavily loaded in the bowler's favour. I believe the ICC warned groundsmen for creating such dangerous/unplayable pitches.

 

[Cabinet96]

Only ODI I can ever remember where a pitch wasn't safe was that one in Delhi.

 

[hendrix]

Not fully hendrix. Enough so we get a full game. Paying crowd, world cup is close, players need practice. I don't think a combined 40 over match with a slow run rate will do anyone any favours. The bowlers will get a false sense of confidence, batsmen will not have their technique truly tested and fans will leave early. I vividly remember that Aus v SA match and felt it was appalling. Mind you India's seam and maybe even England's is not as good as SA/Aus to do that kind of damage.

We get a full game if the batsmen are good enough to bat out the 50 overs in tough conditions. If that means a score of 220 I think that makes for very compelling viewing and is great practice for batsmen before the world cup.

 

[Dhoni_183*]

Only ODI I can ever remember where a pitch wasn't safe was that one in Delhi.

Indeed. The whole 2002 test series in NZ that India played, NZ were warned. Also Eng V WI in the 90's, one pitch was deemed dangerous too.

 

[Dhoni_183*]

We get a full game if the batsmen are good enough to bat out the 50 overs in tough conditions. If that means a score of 220 I think that makes for very compelling viewing and is great practice for batsmen before the world cup.

Well I am not worried in that sense. We probably have the best batting line up in ODI's and up there in tests too. Although last 2 odi games India not as great for various reasons.

I am all for batsmen facing a challenge but I did feel that SA/AUS match at the WACA was OTT. Both sides had competent bats but flopped all round. Coincidence, I don't think so. Anyway here's to a good game and something to work with for all players.

 

[hendrix]

Indeed. The whole 2002 test series in NZ that India played, NZ were warned.

Those were not dangerous pitches. Green, yes, but the good batsmen (Dravid, Tendulkar) made runs. The low scores were down to very good bowling (heard of Shane Bond?) and not particularly good batting.

And no, NZ were not warned.

 

[SteveNZ]

Indeed. The whole 2002 test series in NZ that India played, NZ were warned. Also Eng V WI in the 90's, one pitch was deemed dangerous too.

Ha, really? Since when is the seaming ball considered dangerous? I attended a significant amount of that NZ/India series and I almost feel certain that not one ball reared more, or less than any other throughout. All had bounce, sure, as all green-tops do. But it was only dangerous to batsmen who weren't able to cope with seam and bounce - ie India at that time. And if the BCCI warned NZ, which I have no doubt they did, it was only strongarm tactics to protect broadcast dollars and their batsmen's egos, not their bones.

Hendrix is spot on, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a side having to adjust their expectations and score 220 if the pitch dictates that's a winning score. That's an art.

'Probably the best batting line-up in ODIs'. I dig how diverse the world is that other nations celebrate April Fools on different dates

 

[Dhoni_183*]

What rubbish guys. SteveNZ if you followed that series in 02 you would know the Indian bowlers also had a terrific time, especially Zaheer Khan, Srinath.

Interesting quotes:

"It is not about producing the pitches of 2002/03, they were too green bordering on the ridiculous, but they must place the Indian batsmen under pressure and give our team the advantage," Cairns added.

Even India do not prepare dust bowls equivalent of this nature, crazy home dodgy pitch. Why do you think that the recent series between us had a fairer green pitch? ICC and BCCI intervention for a better truer game.

We were badly stitched up that tour but luckily we followed it up legally to ensure it doesn't happen again. Didn't make good viewing at all.

 

[hendrix]

What rubbish guys. SteveNZ if you followed that series in 02 you would know the Indian bowlers also had a terrific time, especially Zaheer Khan, Srinath.
Why do you think that the recent series between us had a fairer green pitch? ICC and BCCI intervention for a better truer game.

Zaheer and Srinath were good bowlers.

Those pitches in the recent series were actually very green, particularly for the team batting first. India had a massive advantage winning both tosses because they flattened out completely after the first day. Unfortunately for India, their bowlers were so terrible they couldn't take wickets on them.

Green pitches actually even up the contest between India and NZ because it allows India's inferior bowlers to take wickets.

 

[Contra]

The 2002 pitches weren't dangerous, they were simply not ideal test pitches as they were heavily loaded in favour of bowlers. Dangerous is when there is a high chance of a player getting injured while batting.

 

[Dhoni_183*]

Zaheer and Srinath were good bowlers.

Those pitches in the recent series were actually very green, particularly for the team batting first. India had a massive advantage winning both tosses because they flattened out completely after the first day. Unfortunately for India, their bowlers were so terrible they couldn't take wickets on them.

Green pitches actually even up the contest between India and NZ because it allows India's inferior bowlers to take wickets.

By the way Bond is one of my favourite bowlers so I do know about him. Tait is too but that's more because I have a similar action.

They were green but not like 2002, i'm sure we can agree there. That 2002 I was at college and couldn't believe those pitches.

We won at Lords on a green pitch, I still feel the 02 NZ pitches were worse. NZ had inept batsmen but as they were used to those conditions they scored a little more than India. We should have scored more for sure. That series still riles me up!

 

[Riggins]

I heard they are not going to flatten the WACA out slightly, ridiculous, I hope it isn't a short match. SA and Australia skittled each other out for 150 odd recently in the odi series at this same ground. Who wants to watch such a seamer dominating match, particularly as the world cup is close, you want everyone to be tested fairly and warm up.

this is the most indian fan thing ever.

 

[Flem274*]

The 2002 pitches were fine. You can watch the highlights on youtube and they're hardly impossible to play on. Batsmen with good defense (Dravid, Tendulkar, Richardson and even Fleming scored a few iirc) made scores. Realistically if you put very early Zaheer (140+ with late swing), Bond (someone who bowled to ATG level when he briefly played) and Cairns (a world class allrounder) on a deck with some help against batsmen who are either middle of the road or not very good away from home pitches, you have a high chance of carnage.

They were bowler friendly but they make up for pitches like Napier where a draw is a most likely result. If on nothing else, I'm sure we can all agree we want to see a winner or a genuine tie.

 

[Eclipse]

I heard they are not going to flatten the WACA out slightly, ridiculous, I hope it isn't a short match. SA and Australia skittled each other out for 150 odd recently in the odi series at this same ground. Who wants to watch such a seamer dominating match, particularly as the world cup is close, you want everyone to be tested fairly and warm up.

I do... Not all the time but just like I don't like seeing 300+ scores all the time like we do on the flat ODI wickets in India.

 

[Gnske]

By the way Bond is one of my favourite bowlers so I do know about him. Tait is too but that's more because I have a similar action.

They were green but not like 2002, i'm sure we can agree there. That 2002 I was at college and couldn't believe those pitches.

We won at Lords on a green pitch, I still feel the 02 NZ pitches were worse. NZ had inept batsmen but as they were used to those conditions they scored a little more than India. We should have scored more for sure. That series still riles me up!

Bait posting at it's finest