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*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
I'm not convinced that Reigns will forever be resented tbh. All of the Shield guys are loved by the IWC for a start, and he has all the tools for the E to make him a credible maineventer for mine. I think he's just a victim of circumstance. Firstly, his long time out injured means he's not been adequately built up for the push he's now getting, and simultaneously he's unfortunate he's come on to the scene at the time where Daniel Bryan, the most naturally (for lack of a better term) over guy what seems like forever, has only just returned from injury himself, meaning the fans are desperate to see him get what they think he deserves.
Bryan never even lost the title. There is just too many loose ends. Lesnar overshadowed his moment at Wrestlemania 30. This is the confrontation that people want, in my opinion. Roman Reigns is not ready and I'm not saying that in a smarky way. I think he was more ready last year when he was fresh and people wanted him to throw out Batista but at the moment, he just does not have public opinion on his side - that is the most important thing.

Had Bryan not won his race to be fit in time for WM, I don't think anyone would have complained at a Reigns win.
We will never know.

That said, I agree completely that the E would be decidedly ill-advised to try and pass him off as a popular winner, the fans would most definitely crap all over it.
Raw ought to be very interesting.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Sounds like it stank last night. I'm always cautious to write stuff off at this time of year as it may be part of a bigger plan but prima facie it seems stupid what they did to Bryan
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Sounds like it stank last night. I'm always cautious to write stuff off at this time of year as it may be part of a bigger plan but prima facie it seems stupid what they did to Bryan
Bryan not winning is fine. I wanted him to win but it is fine. The issue is that they did not have a good idea for a winner. A good idea for a winner is a heel who people hate loads (e.g. Wyatt, Rusev) or a face who people like loads (e.g. Ambrose, Ziggler).
 

OverratedSanity

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Bryan not winning is fine. I wanted him to win but it is fine. The issue is that they did not have a good idea for a winner. A good idea for a winner is a heel who people hate loads (e.g. Wyatt, Rusev) or a face who people like loads (e.g. Ambrose, Ziggler).
The way Ziggler, Ambrose and Wyatt were eliminated defied belief.

Wyatt looked like a huge heel after he eliminated the top babyface in Bryan. They build all this heat for him and in the end have him eliminated stupidly by another heel. WTF? Who booked this crap?

Then Ziggler and Ambrose are gingerly placed on the floor after being gently lifted over the top rope. Way to make two of your biggest young stars look like jokes. Even big show and Kane looked embarrassed doing it.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
If the WWE gets cold feet after today, then yeah maybe. But what makes you that confident? A heel winning the wm main event just doesn't happen unless you're HHH.
Yeah, this is largely my thinking as well. But then again, until last year the Undertaker losing at WM was something that simply didn't happen either.

That said, since Reigns is the E's chosen one, I expect they'll be desperate to find a way of getting the strap on him. I'd more confident of Reigns winning than I would be of Bryan winning had he won the RR, for instance.

Having thought about it, I can kind of see where the E were coming from with their Rumble booking - they just horribly miscalculated how much Bryan was over, and how Reigns comparably is not (which is pretty ridiculous, all things considered, but that's the only way it can be rationally explained imo - other than it being a case of Vince basically just saying "**** you I'll do whatever the hell I want).

They obvs anticipated the huge support Bryan would get for instance, and the decision to have him eliminated early was probably a calculated move to get the fans riled up early, and get the booing out of their system. They were obviously banking on the elimination of Bryan being compensated for by Reigns emerging and taking centre stage. They probably thought Reigns was over enough to sate the fans' anger, which was obviously a terrible prediction. The decision to leave him with Kane and Big Show at the end was also obviously done to eliminate the possibility of the fans rejecting the overall winner, which I suspect they were worried would happen if it came down to Reigns and Ziggler or someone - this also obviously totally backfired.

Rock was then obviously used as the trump card, who would really get the fans on the side of Reigns, but even that was not enough. The whole thing makes for very bad reading, and was obviously based on horribly flawed logic and assumptions, but I at least can see where they were coming from (if this is indeed the way they went about things), even if that way was utter trash.

Will be interesting to see if Rock is on RAW.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Haha, just seen the post-match interview with Rock as well. So bad. The whole thing came off as incredibly amateurish.
 

OverratedSanity

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Yeah, this is largely my thinking as well. But then again, until last year the Undertaker losing at WM was something that simply didn't happen either.

That said, since Reigns is the E's chosen one, I expect they'll be desperate to find a way of getting the strap on him. I'd more confident of Reigns winning than I would be of Bryan winning had he won the RR, for instance.

Having thought about it, I can kind of see where the E were coming from with their Rumble booking - they just horribly miscalculated how much Bryan was over, and how Reigns comparably is not (which is pretty ridiculous, all things considered, but that's the only way it can be rationally explained imo - other than it being a case of Vince basically just saying "**** you I'll do whatever the hell I want).

They obvs anticipated the huge support Bryan would get for instance, and the decision to have him eliminated early was probably a calculated move to get the fans riled up early, and get the booing out of their system. They were obviously banking on the elimination of Bryan being compensated for by Reigns emerging and taking centre stage. They probably thought Reigns was over enough to sate the fans' anger, which was obviously a terrible prediction. The decision to leave him with Kane and Big Show at the end was also obviously done to eliminate the possibility of the fans rejecting the overall winner, which I suspect they were worried would happen if it came down to Reigns and Ziggler or someone - this also obviously totally backfired.

Rock was then obviously used as the trump card, who would really get the fans on the side of Reigns, but even that was not enough. The whole thing makes for very bad reading, and was obviously based on horribly flawed logic and assumptions, but I at least can see where they were coming from (if this is indeed the way they went about things), even if that way was utter trash.

Will be interesting to see if Rock is on RAW.
Yeah agree with all that. And the miscalculation feels even dumber because it's Philadelphia ffs. It's, for lack of a better word, the most smarky city you can get. Shove someone down their throats and they're going to reject it. That the WWE didn't see this coming in this city of all places is baffling.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Yeah felt pretty bad for both of them. Biggest moment of his career gets **** on by fans. So rough.
The Rock's involvement was almost the worst bit for mine. It was just terrible on pretty much every level.

Firstly, from a storyline perspective, the notion that the Rock just happened to stop by to "support his family" is total bull. It's just lazy sloppy writing used as an excuse to get Rock on the show in what was basically a shameless attempt to buy off the fans and use him to put Roman over. Besides, pretty sure last time Rock and Roman were in the ring together the former was on the receiving end of a triple power bomb.

Second, Rock's involvement in the match itself was totally ****ty. If the E wants the fans to get behind Reigns, why the hell are they making it seem like he needs the help of a semi-retired part-time wrestler to dispatch with two over-the-hill midcarders who have not been credible for about ten years? What kind of person would get behind a character like that?

Third, in the interview at the end of the show Rock basically (but presumably unintentionally) buried Reigns. He kept speaking over the top of him, interrupting him, and the interview ended with him signing off with his trademark "if ya smeeeellll" thing. Not only did the fact that it was one of the worst, most contrived, least natural and spontaneous promos I've ever seen the Rock cut compound things, but the whole segment was basically about the Rock. Reigns, the guy who had just won a spot in the WM main event was almost totally sidelined.

This was basically how-not-to-put-someone-over-101 for me. If the E pull a swerve, and turn Rock heel by costing Reigns his title shot at the next PPV, setting up a "this family ain't big enough for the both of us" type feud, or do something else novel and creative I think they could still yet pull this out of the fire. But honestly I can't see that happening.
 
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OverratedSanity

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Yeah Rock's involvement was terrible. Reigns was dead way before that anyway though.

And the ironic thing is that obviously Rock himself faced exactly the same thing Roman is facing right now. It's going to be Die Roman Die. A premature forced push just doesn't work. It didn't work for rocky maivia it won't work with Roman Reigns.

If it leads to Roman vs rock with him complaining that Rock stole his spotlight, as you said, it could work.

Otherwise just turn him heel. Only way out imo.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
If the WWE gets cold feet after today, then yeah maybe. But what makes you that confident? A heel winning the wm main event just doesn't happen unless you're HHH.
Or the miz...

Anyway people. Don't start worrying about what the main event just yet. This is the time of year where things change on TV weekly.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Was debating with my mate the other day whether miz was golden that year or if it was all down to Michael Cole

I personally found Miz fantastic from when he joined Raw in 09 through that entire run but there is no doubting Cole (and Daniel Bryan as part of the same package) helped generate him a lot of heat
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Was debating with my mate the other day whether miz was golden that year or if it was all down to Michael Cole

I personally found Miz fantastic from when he joined Raw in 09 through that entire run but there is no doubting Cole (and Daniel Bryan as part of the same package) helped generate him a lot of heat
I think you're right. I remember a lot of his own work being really good, and a number of decent TV matches on RAW. But like you say, Cole and Bryan helped put him up to the level he reached. Either way, regardless of whatever combination got him to wherever he was, there is no denying that since then he's come a long way short of recapturing anything like the form he had during that period - and I don't think that's merely down to a case of questionable booking either (though obviously to some extent the fact that Vince seemed to cool on him massively will not have helped).

In some ways I think Miz being in the WM main event actually ended up hurting him somewhat, in a very similar way to which Reigns may have been hurt last night actually. That should have been his moment to show he could really get it done and establish himself as a top heel - even if he actually lost the match. Instead, however, the whole thing just became about Rock and Cena, and Miz became an afterthought, even during the match itself (which IIIRC was rubbish, slow and baggy, and everyone was obviously just waiting for Rock to get involved).

On a not entirely unrelated note, what happened to Alex Riley?
 

OverratedSanity

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Miz was amazing. Hated heel Cole though. He was plain annoying... Whether that was the intent I don't know but I failed to see what many people did. Lots of people loved Cole's heel run... I just didn't see it.
 

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