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[OverratedSanity]

Incorrect.

Sangakkarra has struggled against left arm pace bowlers his whole career. Check the stats. His average against left arm pace is something like half that of his career average.

I don't know. Which other left armers has he struggled against? Junaid? Can't be... Smashes hundredsffor fun vs Pakistan.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sanga is a scholar and a gentleman, he wouldn't care what plebs like us say. The man is on a higher plane of existence.

He's a ****. Is probably a closet PakPassioner.

 

[hendrix]

I don't know. Which other left armers has he struggled against? Junaid? Can't be... Smashes hundredsffor fun vs Pakistan.

Per dismissal (which is a bad stat because it just means that on the occasions he gets out to a type of bowler he's on a lower score but...) he averages 23 vs left arm pace.

compared with 45 vs right arm pace, 54 vs left arm spin, and 74 vs right arm spin.

Now I know that that's per dismissal, but I think we can say there's a clear enough discrepancy for there to be a weakness.

 

[Athlai]

He's a ****. Is that probably a closet PakPassioner.

Blasphemy. You're just jealous of his half-finished law degree and movie star good looks.

 

[Athlai]

Per dismissal (which is a bad stat because it just means that on the occasions he gets out to a type of bowler he's on a lower score but...) he averages 23 vs left arm pace.

compared with 45 vs right arm pace, 54 vs left arm spin, and 74 vs right arm spin.

Now I know that that's per dismissal, but I think we can say there's a clear enough discrepancy for there to be a weakness.

You could probably state he gets out against left arm pace earlier but you'd need a bit more evidence to make it relevant.

IE how many times has he got out for under 20 to left arm pace vs. right arm? How many times has he faced left arm/right arm.

You've got about 10 minutes, so best get statsguruing.

 

[Prince EWS]

Per dismissal (which is a bad stat because it just means that on the occasions he gets out to a type of bowler he's on a lower score but...) he averages 23 vs left arm pace.

compared with 45 vs right arm pace, 54 vs left arm spin, and 74 vs right arm spin.

Now I know that that's per dismissal, but I think we can say there's a clear enough discrepancy for there to be a weakness.

I think per dismissal is such a useless stat that we really can't say anything from it other than the fact that he's more vulnerable to left arm pace early in his innings than late in his innings. It could be that he's so awesome at playing it that it never gets him out after he's reached 30.. or it could be that he's so terrible at playing it that he never lasts past 30 when he's playing a team containing a left arm quick. It's just an entirely useless stat IMO.

 

[hendrix]

I wish there could be a "total runs scored vs this bowler per dismissal" rather than simply "runs per dismissal" (which just means you could happen to get out vs this bowler even though you might have scored all your runs against them) but I still think these are useful stats.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Blocky]

They're only useful because they continue to make a point you believe you have that "Sanga struggles against left arm seamers" - no. Sanga does struggle against Trent Boult. That's relevant, that's one we've seen in recent times and can put stake on, but the problem with that theory also is that Trent Boult gets him out caught, never bowled, never LBW. Which goes back to my previous point, if Sanga is happy to stand on off, only play anything on the line of his pads and leave anything else - he removes the only way he's been dismissed against Boult pretty quickly.

 

[Hurricane]

I wish there could be a "total runs scored vs this bowler per dismissal" rather than simply "runs per dismissal" (which just means you could happen to get out vs this bowler even though you might have scored all your runs against them) but I still think these are useful stats.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

While I generally agree with PEWS and have been burned by that stat before on CW it is possible to draw meaning from that table if we were to do a little bit of work.

He has been dismissed 22 times by left arm pace out of 206 dismissals - just compare that ratio to some other top batsman and bob is your uncle.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

I wish there could be a "total runs scored vs this bowler per dismissal" rather than simply "runs per dismissal" (which just means you could happen to get out vs this bowler even though you might have scored all your runs against them) but I still think these are useful stats.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Wanna see which players are bowling "unknown arm over the wicket".

 

[hendrix]

I think per dismissal is such a useless stat that we really can't say anything from it other than the fact that he's more vulnerable to left arm pace early in his innings than late in his innings. It could be that he's so awesome at playing it that it never gets him out after he's reached 30.. or it could be that he's so terrible at playing it that he never lasts past 30 when he's playing a team containing a left arm quick. It's just an entirely useless stat IMO.

it doesn't quite mean this. It just means that he gets out to left armers more often. He could have scored plenty of runs against them or none at all. But he's still getting out to them more often.

 

[Howsie]

They're only useful because they continue to make a point you believe you have that "Sanga struggles against left arm seamers" - no. Sanga does struggle against Trent Boult. That's relevant, that's one we've seen in recent times and can put stake on, but the problem with that theory also is that Trent Boult gets him out caught, never bowled, never LBW. Which goes back to my previous point, if Sanga is happy to stand on off, only play anything on the line of his pads and leave anything else - he removes the only way he's been dismissed against Boult pretty quickly.

Yep. And then in all probability creates another way for Boult to dismiss him. Sangakarra is far to good a player not to score some runs against him at some point, and I'm sure he'll find a way to do so. But you must underrate Boult even more than I thought if you believe Sangakarra could just come out, change his guard and then everything will be okay.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

While I generally agree with PEWS and have been burned by that stat before on CW it is possible to draw meaning from that table if we were to do a little bit of work.

He has been dismissed 22 times by left arm pace out of 206 dismissals - just compare that ratio to some other top batsman and bob is your uncle.

That would depend on whether the ratio of left-armers faced is similar for all the batsman though.

 

[Prince EWS]

it doesn't quite mean this. It just means that he gets out to left armers more often.

It doesn't. If he creamed left armers all over the park and never got out to them bar one time where he got out for 5, he'd average 5 against left armers forever.

Now as Hurricane said you could take how many times he's got out to them and compare it to other Sri Lankan batsmen who have played alongside him -- that'd be useful -- but the average means about as much as a random number generator in showing anything other than what I said.

 

[hendrix]

Look there are plenty nerdy freaking stats dude who have whole databases on here who can figure that crap out for me. I've noticed the weakness and if someone wants to go through what he averages against these bowlers be my guest. Again, it's a flaw in statsguru and I'm aware of that but I've watched him bat for long enough that I'm comfortable calling it a weakness. Everyone has weaknesses.

James Franklin
Syed Rasel
Zaheer Khan
Ryan Sidebottom
Irfan Pathan
Mitch Johnson
Mohammed Amir
Junaid Khan
Trent Boult
Rahat Ali
Wahab Riaz

 

[Hurricane]

That would depend on whether the ratio of left-armers faced is similar for all the batsman though.

Take a bunch of batsmen and it should balance out - but yes you are technically correct.

 

[Blocky]

Yep. And then in all probability creates another way for Boult to dismiss him. Sangakarra is far to good a player not to score some runs against him at some point, and I'm sure he'll find a way to do so. But you must underrate Boult even more than I thought if you believe Sangakarra could just come out, change his guard and then everything will be okay.

Perhaps - but I'd dare say talking about the worlds best batsman and someone who will rate as an all time great, and someone who will be the quickest to 12,000 runs (to go with his quickest to 10,000 runs) is a little better than "Well, Boult will get him with another ball anyway"

And changing his guard is part of it, the real trick for him is giving away his usually highly profitable off, cover and square drivers against Boult as they're opening the dismissal up to him. It wouldn't be the first time that putting the drive away meant a batsman went from struggling to dominant (Tendulkar, anyone)

 

[Prince EWS]

Look there are plenty nerdy freaking stats dude who have whole databases on here who can figure that crap out for me. I've noticed the weakness and if someone wants to go through what he averages against these bowlers be my guest. Again, it's a flaw in statsguru and I'm aware of that but I've watched him bat for long enough that I'm comfortable calling it a weakness. Everyone has weaknesses.

James Franklin
Syed Rasel
Zaheer Khan
Ryan Sidebottom
Irfan Pathan
Mitch Johnson
Mohammed Amir
Junaid Khan
Trent Boult
Rahat Ali
Wahab Riaz

I'm not saying he doesn't (or does) have a weakness against left arm quicks ftr. I'm just saying the cricinfo "average against left arm quicks" is worth literally nothing when trying to determine if he does or not.

 

[Hurricane]

It doesn't. If he creamed left armers all over the park and never got out to them bar one time where he got out for 5, he'd average 5 against left armers forever.

Now as Hurricane said you could take how many times he's got out to them and compare it to other Sri Lankan batsmen who have played alongside him -- that'd be useful -- but the average means about as much as a random number generator in showing anything other than what I said.

PEWS is correct.

 

[Adgey]

taylo seems to struggle against quality spin