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*** Official *** West Indies in South Africa 2014/15
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Swingpanzee
International Regular
Clive Lloyd has totally lost it? I'm not a WI fan though.
anil1405
International Captain
Steyn the destroyer as Proteas cruise | cricket.com.au
Stunning catch from AB. He makes it look so easy.
Stunning catch from AB. He makes it look so easy.
If you're looking to the future, who else is there? Ramdin isn't getting any younger and they obviously want to use this series to Test someone new out, Samuels isn't captaincy material, and all the other options are dropped or rested. Holder probably has some potential as a leader, so for this series, why not see how he goes? I think they're primarily sorting out depth positions for the WC anyway.
Quaggas
State Captain
Natural-talent say hi to no-plan-needed
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
Pretty much what Dan said tbh. It is total and utter madness though. Dwayne Bravo was basically the best allrounder in ODI cricket last year (made the ICC team for example) and yet he's been dropped. This is very clear punishment for the abandoned tour of India as hios performances have been excellent.
Just after a World Cup is the time you appoint a young captain and give him time to develop the side, not just a couple of months before having given Bravo a year to try and mould his side. Clive Lloyd has no common sense at all, great captain he may have been but administratively he has presided over some collosal mess ups and to me this is another one.
I'm seriously hoping that the ODI squad for SA that doesn't include either Bravo, Pollard or Sammy is deliberately experimental so we can have a look at the likes of Jonathon Carter.
We are one continuous mess at the moment and they barely make a decision which doesn't make me question their sanity.
It has to be about determining the reserve spots for the World Cup, surely. Guys like Bravo, Pollard and Sammy have to be nailed down as in the 15 at least (maybe not with Sammy but whatevs), so this lets them look at those reserve guys by playing them in the positions they'd have to play if the first XI guys got injured, rather than alongside them.
Then again, that may be giving the WICB waaaay too much credit and it's all an exercise in being complete and utter fruit loops.
Then again, that may be giving the WICB waaaay too much credit and it's all an exercise in being complete and utter fruit loops.
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
These are current stats.Yes lets keep all the all old guys in the side because of their stats from the past!!..LARA...GET YOUR PADS ON MATE!!!
We can make it the last 12 months if you want? Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
Last 6 months? Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
How short sighted or ****ing stupid have you got to be to suggest dropping him? It's baffling.
He's currently the 5th best Test batsman in the world according to the ICC rankings ffs. I appreciate they're not gospel but your next batsman is 30th and you just picked Assad Fudadin in a Test squad ffs.
Read the **** you're posting man.
Zinzan
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No way, not for me. It's not quite that simple. If it were, Hadlee's 431 wickets from 86 has a better ratio than both (but we all know Hadlee didn't have much class at the other end).
As much as Steyn has had to compete for wickets with other quality bowlers within his own side, they're not quite the quality of bowlers Marshall had to compete with during his career; Garner, Ambrose, Holding, Walsh (to name a few).
Marshall is still the no 1 bowler I've ever seen, with the likes of McGrath, Steyn, Ambrose, Hadlee, Lillee & Akram bunched together for a close 2nd.
GotSpin
Hall of Fame Member
The problem With dropping senior players simply because they are old in an attempt to mould a new, young team is that you are investing long term in unknowns.
What happens if these new players suck for the next 5 years without ever coming good. Its just a complete waste. If someone is banging down the door With bucketfulls of FC runs then its a different story. Theres just no point bringing in blokes who average 30 odd in FC cricket in the hope that they Will come good. Its just an endless cycle of ****ness.
Considering the depth of batting in the west Indies if be letting Chanderpaul bat on until he doesnt want to anymore.
What happens if these new players suck for the next 5 years without ever coming good. Its just a complete waste. If someone is banging down the door With bucketfulls of FC runs then its a different story. Theres just no point bringing in blokes who average 30 odd in FC cricket in the hope that they Will come good. Its just an endless cycle of ****ness.
Considering the depth of batting in the west Indies if be letting Chanderpaul bat on until he doesnt want to anymore.
WindieWeathers
International Regular
Sigh!!.."short sighted"? i'm thinking LONGTERM smartypants!!..and once again your comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired as i said IF HE DOESN'T MAKE RUNS i'd drop him...that's MY VIEW..you wanna cry about it then that's your business, but my stance won't be changing.
WindieWeathers
International Regular
Dwayne Bravo played a major role in the strike which brought utter shame to our cricket...he has also in the past made it plainly clear that the IPL comes before WI...and you're seriously crying for that idiot? The guy has wasted his talent and if anything has gone backwards from the form he showed at the start of his career!!..f#ck him!! i really wouldn't care if he never wears the great WI shirt again.
WindieWeathers
International Regular
On another note i've seen a lot of ridicule about our performance in the first test and perhaps it's well deserved but like i listed in posts above there are circumstances behind it.
1. no head coach
2. Gayle, Darren Bravo and Narine missing
2. Half the warm-up match rained off
4. Half the side lack experience at the highest level
Maybe i'm naive but i fully expect to see an improved performance in the 2nd test...there's simply no excuses now about being undercooked and all that stuff. We were well beaten but lets not act like WI are the only side to fail over there..it wasn't long ago NZ got bowled out for 50 runs against both SA and England and now their fortunes have turned around.
With Deo and Kenroy Peters coming into the squad it should be interesting to see what they do...
I'm wondering if they will drop Blackwood for Deo tbh!!..would be a shame for the lad but current form isn't good and with Deo there's a wicket or two in him at least. I'd also be inclined to give Peters a go but who knows!!..
Brathwaite
Smith
Johnson
Samuels
Chanderpaul
Deonarine/Blackwood
Ramdin (wk)
Holder
Benn
Peters
Taylor/Gabriel
Would be my team...i expect they'll keep faith with Jerome so he's really gonna have to step it up with Kemar now out of the attack...could also be a big moment for Holder as these tracks should really suit his style. Peters would be a wild card but with his left-arm action and the ability to get some late movement it wouldn't surprise me if he caused some problems.
1. no head coach
2. Gayle, Darren Bravo and Narine missing
2. Half the warm-up match rained off
4. Half the side lack experience at the highest level
Maybe i'm naive but i fully expect to see an improved performance in the 2nd test...there's simply no excuses now about being undercooked and all that stuff. We were well beaten but lets not act like WI are the only side to fail over there..it wasn't long ago NZ got bowled out for 50 runs against both SA and England and now their fortunes have turned around.
With Deo and Kenroy Peters coming into the squad it should be interesting to see what they do...
I'm wondering if they will drop Blackwood for Deo tbh!!..would be a shame for the lad but current form isn't good and with Deo there's a wicket or two in him at least. I'd also be inclined to give Peters a go but who knows!!..
Brathwaite
Smith
Johnson
Samuels
Chanderpaul
Deonarine/Blackwood
Ramdin (wk)
Holder
Benn
Peters
Taylor/Gabriel
Would be my team...i expect they'll keep faith with Jerome so he's really gonna have to step it up with Kemar now out of the attack...could also be a big moment for Holder as these tracks should really suit his style. Peters would be a wild card but with his left-arm action and the ability to get some late movement it wouldn't surprise me if he caused some problems.
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Shiv could average 30 for the next 5 years and still be in your top 4 available batsmen tbph.
If you want to look long-term and develop talent then dropping one of your most successful batsmen ever and the only consistent player you've had for the past decade is a pretty arse-about-face way of going about things.
Panicking after he's had the shortest form slump ever (i.e. a solitary test) is just absurd
fredfertang
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Things look incredibly bleak for the West Indies at the moment - thirty years ago that rebel side that went to South Africa were twice the team this current crop are - there must be a reason - but no one seems to know
It really does make me sad
It really does make me sad
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, if Shiv fails in all three tests, he'd still be the first name on my WI team sheet for whenever they next play test cricket. The guy has averaged ****ing 70 for the last 8 years, and was (as usual) WI's best batsman against NZ over the past year. His continued determination to play test cricket is a precious asset for WI cricket, especially when you consider the overall lack of batting depth in the region.
