Tom Halsey
International Coach
From a TV perspective, they're great. I can see they might be annoying if you are a match-going fan and have a job, though.
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*Official* English Football Season 2014-15
- Thread starter GIMH
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On a non Europa league week you can still get 5 or 6 games at 3pm, I think that is just about right. To have them all on TV across Saturday and Sunday would lead to some pretty funky kick off times as well.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Ah right, ok. Gotcha.
Cabinet96
Hall of Fame Member
Also, I know most here probably won't like it, but it's worth noting that people who regularly go to prem games make up an absolute tiny proportion of the fans. TV priorities ahead of local fans is as much the result of the vast majorities needs rather than purely financial incentives.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yeah and if I wasn't about to go to sleep id go into detail about all the things this is destroying in englishfootball but I am going to sleep and cbf so I'll leave you with #AgainstModernFootball
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
These two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive tbf.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
It's always been popular. But the chasm that's there exists because of the breakaway and the TV rights that came with it. Said chasm is more now between championship and league one, or basically sides who have been in the prem and those who haven't (taking away the clowns like Portsmouth, Bradford etc who got silly). Without the breakaway and the sky money, you don't get the financial powerhouse that English footy is, you don't get so many top foreign players coming here etc. Which thinking about the top level would be bloody awful. But for 60-70% of the professional clubs it's been a dream killer.
I now see the championship as the promised land. **** the prem and **** sky for making that so.
But **** me for subscribing to sky and contributing to the problem
And **** Grecian
And **** tanduay for making me make these posts
We have discussed this before and if I was in your position I would probably feel much the same but I don't think it is entirely true. You need a certain level of investment, (you probably always did) there is absolutely no question about that, but most clubs still spend their money so inefficiently that there are still opportunities for well run clubs to progress, Swansea being the really stand out example. If you look at top of the Championship right now there are not all that many clubs with parachute payments up there. I can't pretend you don't need money though, just need to look at the difference between clubs coming up from League One like Bees and Bournemouth (who have spent a fair bit more than us) and those such as Yeovil who never stood a chance.
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GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yeah fair enough and I harbour no resentment to clubs like Swansea (I mean I don't like them because they're welsh, but) who've invested well and built themselves up. Or a Stoke. Or if you or Bournemouth were to do it. I won't pretend our halcyon days weren't based on spending, though I imagine we still competed higher than our budget should have allowed (like yourselves now I guess).
It's not an unbreachable level and there will be other clubs who crack it in the future. But it gets harder and harder and for clubs like us the Championship is an end game objective now.
My initial point that I lost in my drunken rant was to basically disagree with Cabs on how popular English football would be without the Prem. As I said it was always popular, always will be and I'd guess for Aussies, Americans etc it would always take priority over La Liga, Bundesliga, just because that's the way it goes.
But it wouldn't be the powerhouse it is without the Prem and what sky pumped into it. That's what's made everything possible in terms of becoming the global brand etc.
And there's nothing fundamentally wrong with that. On a logical level the top clubs should get more TV money etc. But the fact is the predominance of the top clubs hurts all of the others, not just in the lower leagues.
The idea that everything should be geared more towards the TV audience than the fans at the game is everything that's alienating people, killing atmospheres. Clubs at the top don't care about regular fans because they make more money off a series of one stops. In the end it should help the lower leagues in theory. But I'm not sure it will.
I'm not into this 'it's the working class game' bollocks largely because I find the idea of class dated in this day and age. But really, the way the game is being priced away from most people at the top really stinks. This is where the German clubs have it right. I think it was Bayern's chairman who said that they have cheap ticket prices because to have them dearer would earn them an extra £2.5 million, a figure that clubs haggle over in transfer negotiations. If we take Cab's point that clubs priority should be the TV market then they really could drop prices and make it more accessible, and then you'll have atmospheres at the Emirates, Stamford Bridge etc
But of course they then wouldn't make as much in the club shop. And they need that money so they can not give it to smaller clubs when poaching young talent that they've developed.
It costs me and my daughter twenty quid to go to PP and I'm happy with that, I'm just glad I do support a **** team because there's not a chance I'd be shelling out Anfield or Goodison prices regularly.
I don't have a bee in my bonnet about Prem supporters who don't go the game, for all the reasons I've said. But it stinks and doesn't need to be that way.
**** modern football
#AgainstModernFootball
cpr
International Coach
Wow, thankfully I got too sleepy last night before I waded into this debate half cut....
The idea of Friday night football does not appeal. In fact its a rather silly idea IMO. Imagine a family taking the train to Old Trafford for a Friday fixture, either as a home or away fan. 9.30 and they have to head back into Manchester City centre to get home - it'll be some rather interesting sights they'll have to explain to the children (No son, that girl isn't poorly.... Her sick is blue because of what she's been drinking...)
I'm with Sledger in that theres a certain romance and nostalgia to the 3pm Saturday, listening/watching the scores come in (Ceefax really should be run for 2 hours on a Saturday every week). It invokes memories of keeping up to date on the scores with Dad on a Saturday, getting excited for MOTD that evening etc... I'm sure there's father/son combo's who skill enjoy that special moment each week (even if the little brats already seen the goals via Twitter/Vine). On the occasions we did go to a game, be it Utd or non league (only one Mighty Whites, the great Trafford FC), it made it even more of a special occasion.
I'm not sure what effect moving all Prem games away from Saturday will do - around here not much given its rare either of our Prem teams play then. Around here theres only really Altrincham of a decent level who might benefit, and from what I recall they've always done OK fan wise. Even Trafford pull in pretty impressive crowds for our level (I've been to games where theres been over 1,000 at a match, and were one below Conference North).
The idea of Friday night football does not appeal. In fact its a rather silly idea IMO. Imagine a family taking the train to Old Trafford for a Friday fixture, either as a home or away fan. 9.30 and they have to head back into Manchester City centre to get home - it'll be some rather interesting sights they'll have to explain to the children (No son, that girl isn't poorly.... Her sick is blue because of what she's been drinking...)
I'm with Sledger in that theres a certain romance and nostalgia to the 3pm Saturday, listening/watching the scores come in (Ceefax really should be run for 2 hours on a Saturday every week). It invokes memories of keeping up to date on the scores with Dad on a Saturday, getting excited for MOTD that evening etc... I'm sure there's father/son combo's who skill enjoy that special moment each week (even if the little brats already seen the goals via Twitter/Vine). On the occasions we did go to a game, be it Utd or non league (only one Mighty Whites, the great Trafford FC), it made it even more of a special occasion.
I'm not sure what effect moving all Prem games away from Saturday will do - around here not much given its rare either of our Prem teams play then. Around here theres only really Altrincham of a decent level who might benefit, and from what I recall they've always done OK fan wise. Even Trafford pull in pretty impressive crowds for our level (I've been to games where theres been over 1,000 at a match, and were one below Conference North).
Cabinet96
Hall of Fame Member
I think he can do a decent job there. But he's only just come back from injury. Ideally you wouldn't even want him starting at RB two games in a row yet.