**Official** Pakistan v New Zealand in the UAE 2014

[ImpatientLime]

Oh, like you and others don't make the same points about players you either like or dislike.

The difference being when I make posts, generally the results then back them up

i trust you'll be giving greatbatch a bell in the not to distant future in order to offer your services.

 

[Adders]

@Adders - takes more than one dog to have a dog fight, sir... you're getting angry at me because I refuse to lay down and let passive aggressive people shame me into not posting?

There's one common denominator.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Passive aggressive again.. "The part in bold is not some objective truth" - sorry, but it is. The fact that you continue to argue this idea that you have that somehow I'm not extremely well informed about the NZ Cricket scene and that pretty much every statement I make has a tendency of becoming truth is just you having tall poppy syndrome and not liking people who aren't afraid of stating a full blooded opinion even if it flies in the face of others.

Now, you can keep up this bull**** of "The problem we have with you is that any time we get annoyed by what you tell us about the cricket, we insult you only to find that you remind us that we've been wrong on most of the **** we've stated while you've been right" and do the whole passive aggressive spin off that you've got a tendency of doing, but all that does is continue the bull**** chat where I feel it's pertinent to point out that you don't really know much about cricket which seems to offend you.

So, firstly, it's not an objective truth because as far I can see you're the only one arguing for that particular view and haven't exactly provided a heap of evidence. As I mentioned, we're just taking you on your word that you're very much in the loop with all things NZC.

Secondly I'm not sure what was passive aggressive about my post. I'm genuinely trying to engage with you here because all this **** in a tour thread is tiresome, and also because (again, as I've already mentioned) there is often truth to what you say. I'm possibly the second biggest Wagner fan here, after you. We're largely agreed on Guptill and I can get on board with most of what you're saying about Sodhi.

Largely I don't have a problem with your cricket-related comments (though others do), I just have a problem with the way you interact with other posters. You say you come here to debate with other people but in most cases you refuse to acknowledge that views other than yours might be valid and we end up with a ****fight. Boring. I just don't understand what the point of being here is, if you're not going to listen to what others have to say and be open to changing your mind. Talking cricket isn't a competition, it's a bloody discussion board ffs.

 

[Howe_zat]

i don't think blocky knows what passive-agressive actually means

 

[Jarquis]

Passive aggressive again.. "The part in bold is not some objective truth" - sorry, but it is. The fact that you continue to argue this idea that you have that somehow I'm not extremely well informed about the NZ Cricket scene and that pretty much every statement I make has a tendency of becoming truth is just you having tall poppy syndrome and not liking people who aren't afraid of stating a full blooded opinion even if it flies in the face of others.

Now, you can keep up this bull**** of "The problem we have with you is that any time we get annoyed by what you tell us about the cricket, we insult you only to find that you remind us that we've been wrong on most of the **** we've stated while you've been right" and do the whole passive aggressive spin off that you've got a tendency of doing, but all that does is continue the bull**** chat where I feel it's pertinent to point out that you don't really know much about cricket which seems to offend you.

It's so brilliant that you've made this post in BFP's direction.

 

[Bahnz]

As for "Sodhi took 8 wickets in WI" - go review who those wickets were and where they batted in the order and you'll see my point about him getting confidence boosters at the end of the innings.

Not really, most of Sodhi's wickets were proper batsmen - Chanders 2x, Ramdin, Blackwood, Edwards

 

[BeeGee]

I just don't understand what the point of being here is, if you're not going to listen to what others have to say and be open to changing your mind. Talking cricket isn't a competition, it's a bloody discussion board ffs.

Indeed.

Blocky, serious question, why do you post on this forum?

 

[Blocky]

Indeed.

Blocky, serious question, why do you post on this forum?

I just pointed out previously - WW and I were able to have a robust conversation on cricket where each of us had differing positions and no one walked away feeling they had to insult the other. That's why I post. I also have good conversations with people who know more about South Island cricket than I do as I hadn't actually played too much down there. I also have good technical discussions with others. It's really only a select few ( three or four ) that have arguments that undoubtedly turn into the types of debates other posters hate. I concede I've been a common denominator in a few of those but ultimately, I don't start the ****. And I've refrained from finishing it recently.

The tedious part is the passive aggressive behavior - "I'm not actually attacking you, but here's a token insult against your opinion" - which exacerbates because I don't lie down to that type of behavior and I won't lie down to that type of behavior. I got it wrong in the past by throwing insults back at people who were doing their whole passive aggressive shtick, now-a-days I'll simply report anyone who throws personal insults to other forum members.

Talking about the personal values of an international player who is by definition a public figure should always be taken differently for instance, then me saying anything personal about say Beegee.

The laughable factor is a lot of people have been telling me how great my presence has been on the forums and that they've enjoyed me coming back. I'll always have issues with Flem because he's just the type of guy who doesn't like being told he's wrong and he makes so many points that are wrong. As for a few others, look Bahnz and I can disagree about a bunch of things and get quite lippy about it, but we never have long term personal beefs that result in forums degenerating away from cricket.

Let's remember, this degenerated mostly because I dared to say "Taylor hasn't put in the work effort and will struggle this series because of it"

 

[Howsie]

Just how sad is your life really Blocky?

Oh, and why is WW now a protected species around here. Reading through this thread this morning I'd love to know how he hasn't been done for blatant trolling.

 

[Blocky]

Just how sad is your life really Blocky?

More passive aggressive ****.

As for WW - mostly because he talks cricket, rather than personality - unlike you. Pretty much every post you make tends to be negative towards other posters.

 

[Blocky]

Not really, most of Sodhi's wickets were proper batsmen - Chanders 2x, Ramdin, Blackwood, Edwards

Ramdin, Blackwood and Edwards, proper batsman?

 

[Howsie]

More passive aggressive ****.

Nah seriously? I think just like you. I know way more about cricket than everybody on CW put together. But I've never felt the need to pretend like I'm something I'm not.

 

[BeeGee]

OK, great. Thanks for the answer.

But here's the thing...

I'll always have issues with Flem because he's just the type of guy who doesn't like being told he's wrong and he makes so many points that are wrong.

There are no rights and wrongs, only opinions. Disagreeing with someones opinion does not make them wrong.

 

[Bahnz]

OK, great. Thanks for the answer.

But here's the thing...



There are no rights and wrongs, only opinions. Disagreeing with someones opinion does not make them wrong.

It does if their opinions are based on faulty assumptions or incorrect information. I really don't like people using "It's just my opinion" as a magical defence of a transparently bull**** position.

 

[Blocky]

OK, great. Thanks for the answer.

But here's the thing...

There are no rights and wrongs, only opinions. Disagreeing with someones opinion does not make them wrong.

Actually - there are rights and wrongs. I'm currently being proven wrong by Corey Anderson as he's putting up a much more impressive showing to date in this series than Neesham - I'd been working on the premise that Neesham would pull away from Anderson, in particular with the bat in the next few seasons and that has yet to happen. Anderson seems to have also done some hard yards with his bowling as he's looking a lot more lively this year, again, something I didn't think would happen and felt Neesham would probably develop more due to raw tools.

So yes, there are rights and wrongs - if someone makes a blanket statement about Guptill being the best player NZ has to open the innings for ODI and that he should be looked at for test cricket, which I recall Flem in particular championing - then ultimately, every single result since then has proven him to be utterly wrong.

Likewise, my statements about Wagner looking in touch, with good rhythym and without doubt the third best bowler in the country were proven right by his performances.

So, the idea that "Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them wrong" might ring true at that absolute moment, but given time, as we've had, you start to see who has an eye for assessing cricket and who is just blowing smoke out their arse.

 

[Bahnz]

Ramdin, Blackwood and Edwards, proper batsman?

They're batsman. You could argue that they're **** batsmen (though it's probably a little early to say that in the case of Blackwood), but their role is to score runs. My point was that in the Carribean Sodhi didn't just dine out on the tailenders, he did take his fair share of top-7 wickets.

 

[Blocky]

Nah seriously? I think just like you. I know way more about cricket than everybody on CW put together. But I've never felt the need to pretend like I'm something I'm not.

And now to make yourself seem not passive aggressive "I'm an asshole too, I know more than everyone, I just don't say it unless I'm questioned about being someone who only attacks others"

 

[Blocky]

They're batsman. You could argue that they're **** batsmen (though it's probably a little early to say that in the case of Blackwood), but their role is to score runs. My point was that in the Carribean Sodhi didn't just dine out on the tailenders, he did take his fair share of top-7 wickets.

If I recall correctly, Craig bowled us to victory in one of the tests - Sodhi took foregone conclusion wickets. Spin bowlers are selected primarily to take wickets in the third or fourth innings of a test match to win games. Sodhi doesn't have that capability, Sodhi has never bowled ND to a win, let alone NZ.

 

[Blocky]

I don't even get why most of you are upset, as you continue to point out

"Most of us agree with you about Sodhi" - then you should feel absolutely disgusted by him being in the squad, let alone side too. And considering it's topical when he continues to show ( plus 4 an over, taking wickets only when batsman attempt to slog him out of the attack, offering little to nothing except some noticable grit with the bat in the tail end) then I don't know why you get upset when "you continously point out how **** he is" - well yeah, because he contiously performs ****.

 

[BeeGee]

It does if their opinions are based on faulty assumptions or incorrect information. I really don't like people using "It's just my opinion" as a magical defence of a transparently bull**** position.

Unless it's a verifiable fact, everything posted on here is opinion. "Opinion" isn't an excuse, it's just what it is. Your post is opinion. My post is opinion.