Ajmal Action Reported

[Jono]

No it isn't. You can be recklessly indifferent to human life and be convicted of murder.

I'm recklessly indifferent to your life.

 

[hendrix]

If Al Amin has been picked up, hopefully Mills will also undergo testing before the world cup. Surely someone in the ICC must've took notice of his action.

 

[GIMH]

Tbf it is. But it's not required for plenty of other serious offences.

That's involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

Mens rea bitch.

Hey maybe what I learned in law was wrong but what I was taught was

Ar: kill

Mr: intend to kill or cause GBH

Edit - only wiki but it agrees with me

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_English_law

 

[sledger]

Ah yes, true. I forgot intent to cause serious harm would satisfy the mens rea requirement. All I remembered is that you could not commit murder negligently or recklessly.

 

[Flem274*]

As long as they take down Narine too. Yep sure.

Kyle Mills must surely be the next bowler picked up, biggest fast bowling chucker I've ever seen. A ban right before the World Cup starts would be nice.

If Al Amin has been picked up, hopefully Mills will also undergo testing before the world cup. Surely someone in the ICC must've took notice of his action.

Mills is too much of a hero to get picked up.

Before the 2003 world cup Ian Smith(?) had a word and according to him Mills tidied up. Back then he must have been really bad.

Andy Ellis might get a look if he bolts into a world cup squad.

 

[hendrix]

Andy Ellis is miles off making the squad IMO. Grant Elliot is probably next cab off the rank, and in terms of bowlers there's still Bennett and Milne that haven't made my hypothetical squad.

 

[Howsie]

He (Mills) was being ridiculed last year in a FC game against ND for being a dirty chucker. If the players can see it then then I have no idea how the umpires don't.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah Mills has the dirtiest looking action amongst all the quicks still playing I've seen.

 

[ankitj]

Fast bowlers should face closer scrutiny over their action IMO.

 

[ankitj]

Pakistan Cricket News: PCB in talks with Saqlain to help Ajmal | ESPN Cricinfo

Well they are about the same age. Bring back Saqlain

 

[Migara]

Ok here it goes. I was not happy about selection protocols. This time some experts also have doubts.

Uni of WA questions independence of cricket's 'chucking' procedures

“The testing of bowlers should be independent, and it’s not. We asked for a copy of the standard ICC testing protocols such that we could remediate Sri Lanka to the level required by the ICC. In an email yesterday the ICC have indicated to Sri Lanka that they won’t be releasing those standards,” Professor Alderson said.

“Any scientific procedure that can impact on the ability of a player to play the game has to be an independent process and the procedures by which those decisions are made must be open to peer review, and must be available to bowlers and their boards to ensure that process is open and fair. I don’t think it’s in the best interests of cricket.”

 

[smash84]

Remedial work on Ajmal could take a month: PCB - Sport - DAWN.COM

“When Ajmal's action was first reported in 2009 he was cleared because of unusual bend in his arm, like former Sri Lankan spin great Muttiah Muralitharan.

But Khan said medical reasons were no longer considered valid and the PCB would be aiming to improve Ajmal's action over a three to six week period with the help of former off-spinner Saqlain Mushtaq.

 

[harsh.ag]

All right then. Actually, what happens in the re-testing? They can't ask him to bowl those same deliveries as he used to bowl in the field before the remodelling, because they would still come out illegal, right? So, they are just going to measure his new moves?

 

[nightprowler10]

All right then. Actually, what happens in the re-testing? They can't ask him to bowl those same deliveries as he used to bowl in the field before the remodelling, because they would still come out illegal, right? So, they are just going to measure his new moves?

They could chart his deliveries by speed and RPMs and test him into compliance. Then he would need to be watched by the governing bodies if visually he bowls in compliance.

 

[nightprowler10]

Well, I say yes. Ajmal, Senanyake, Shillingford, Samuels, Botha, Aaron Bird and Shabbir all immediately spring to mind as bowlers who were cleared, then tested later and found to be chucking. There are probably more who have escaped my mind too. I think all of them bar Ajmal were actually found to be chuckers originally, then had remedial work and were cleared after that only to fall back into old patterns, which is slightly different (although still problematic), but Ajmal is a whole other thing that opens a massive can of worms.

Most of them have actually occurred in the last twelve months which suggests the testing process might just be improving - which is a good thing. But if actions that looked dodgy initially but were legal deteriorating to a point of chucking without actually looking any worse than they were originally is really a thing, then we're ****ed. It basically suggests that being cleared in the past means absolutely nothing, even if it was a couple of days ago.

Interestingly enough, I watched him in Chicago a couple of weeks ago (as mentioned in this thread) and his action looked fine. I wonder if he's worked on it over the years or he just wasn't trying hard enough to bring out the flick?

 

[marc71178]

Ok here it goes. I was not happy about selection protocols. This time some experts also have doubts.

Uni of WA questions independence of cricket's 'chucking' procedures

The experts who no longer work on it. There's absolutely no way that there's any hint of bias in their comments then is there?

 

[harsh.ag]

True Marc. But don't you think the procedure should be subject to peer evaluation? All good research generally is.

Or do you consider it akin to proprietary research? That is not an unreasonable view, but since the objective is not profit maximization, but larger public benefits, it may not be the best view either.

 

[Migara]

The experts who no longer work on it. There's absolutely no way that there's any hint of bias in their comments then is there?

I don't see any bias when a peer review is requested.

 

[Migara]

They could chart his deliveries by speed and RPMs and test him into compliance. Then he would need to be watched by the governing bodies if visually he bowls in compliance.

Now what happens if the bowler decides to change his bowling style? Instead of big ripping off breaks to rollers and straighter balls?

 

[nightprowler10]

I still think they should be fining\reprimanding the cricket boards that allow players with dodgy actions into the side. Pakistan should be held responsible for not testing him themselves. It's amazing how some players with suspect actions go all the way through their development to international cricket without their home board trying to rectify the issue.

Do you post on every forum I post on?