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Stats draft-2014

morgieb

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Does the 2.5 thing count for matches in which they've kept or overall in their career? If it's the former I'll take Sanga, otherwise I'll take Flower.
 
AldoRaine18

AldoRaine18

State Vice-Captain
Round 3

1. Camo999 - Adam Gilchrist
2. ohnoitsyou - Alan Knott
3. morgieb
4. kyer2
5. aldoRaine18
6. weldone
7. kingkallis
8. ankitj
9. monk
10. harsh.ag
11. coronis

Time to select a wicket keeper who has kept wickets for at least 40 test matches, averaging more than 2.5 dismissals per test with a batting average above 25 against non minnows.
 
watson

watson

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Looks like Bagapath wants everyone to have a keeper who is capable of batting at No.7 as there probably won't be enough bowling allrounders who are classy enough to fill that spot in the batting order.

Trying to think of 11 candidates now....
 
Red

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watson said:
Looks like Bagapath wants everyone to have a keeper who is capable of batting at No.7 as there probably won't be enough bowling allrounders who are classy enough to fill that spot in the batting order.

Trying to think of 11 candidates now....
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In which case it kinda takes away the ATG teams thing. Back in the day is was acceptable for keepers to bat lower than #7.

Really think it should be revised to allow keepers like Godfrey Evans to be selected. If Godfrey Evans can't crack one of the 12 ATG sides selected we need a bit of a revision on the method.

Not having a crack at Bagapath, just think the requirement of batting avg is unnecessary for keepers. Putting a stipulation on %number of matches as keeper is a good idea as it filters out guys like Walcott and maybe Sanga.

Maybe no batting average and at least 75% of matches played as designated keeper?

Incidentally, Evans spent most of his career at 7 and averaged 20 there.
 
watson

watson

Banned
Monk said:
In which case it kinda takes away the ATG teams thing. Back in the day is was acceptable for keepers to bat lower than #7.

Really think it should be revised to allow keepers like Godfrey Evans to be selected. If Godfrey Evans can't crack one of the 12 ATG sides selected we need a bit of a revision on the method.

Not having a crack at Bagapath, just think the requirement of batting avg is unnecessary for keepers. Putting a stipulation on %number of matches as keeper is a good idea as it filters out guys like Walcott and maybe Sanga.

Maybe no batting average and at least 75% of matches played as designated keeper?

Incidentally, Evans spent most of his career at 7 and averaged 20 there.
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Evans averaging only 20 at No.7 shows that he was out of his depth, and therefore creates a problem in this kind of draft.

Perhaps two players could have been selected at once? - 'Select 2 players to fill your No.7 and No.8 positions. They must be a keeper and a bowler.'
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
Monk said:
In which case it kinda takes away the ATG teams thing. Back in the day is was acceptable for keepers to bat lower than #7.

Really think it should be revised to allow keepers like Godfrey Evans to be selected. If Godfrey Evans can't crack one of the 12 ATG sides selected we need a bit of a revision on the method.

Not having a crack at Bagapath, just think the requirement of batting avg is unnecessary for keepers. Putting a stipulation on %number of matches as keeper is a good idea as it filters out guys like Walcott and maybe Sanga.

Maybe no batting average and at least 75% of matches played as designated keeper?

Incidentally, Evans spent most of his career at 7 and averaged 20 there.
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If you really want Evans to keep wickets you can select a batsman-keeper in this round, use him purely as a batter and select Evans in the free round later.

Clarification: 40 tests. 25 average. 2.5 dismissals/test. All in matches against non minnows playing as designated wicket keeper.
 
ankitj

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
Isn't 40 tests too many? Rules out some players from pre war era. Happy to play by any rules though.
 
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bagapath said:
If you really want Evans to keep wickets you can select a batsman-keeper in this round, use him purely as a batter and select Evans in the free round later.

Clarification: 40 tests. 25 average. 2.5 dismissals/test. All in matches against non minnows playing as designated wicket keeper.
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I'm not arguing (much). I just don't think keepers have to average 25+/need to bat at #7.

I'd think in a draft designed to select 10 or 12 or whatever ATG teams, the criteria should probably support having Evans and Tallon (and Blackham and Oldfield and Wasim Bari and Dick Lilley) in the teams as wicketkeepers considering they are among the best craftsmen there've ever been.

I'm not fussed either way, but when it comes to my turn, if I was able to choose between say Mark Boucher and Godfrey Evans as my keeper, I'd probably take Evans in spite of him being a (arguably) worse batsman than Boucher. I'm not sure why the 25 run pre-requisite for a keeper is necessary, but I'm happy to go either way.
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
Monk... Even if the batting average bar were lowered, to 20, Evans would still not make the cut, mate. He didn't average 2.5 dismissals per test. And, Tallon and Ames did not complete 100 dismissals in tests. I am against tweaking too many elements in order to make certain players available for selection. We have to live with who we can accommodate within our own definitions. You can select anybody of your choice when the free rounds come up later.

Of course, I am glad this disagreement exists between us. Otherwise, the whole draft would become too mechanical.
 
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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
So one must have played 40 Tests as a wicket keeper and must have averaged 2.5 dismissals per test. That eliminates even Les Ames.

John Waite
 
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