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***Official*** India in England 2014

Burgey

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91Jmay said:
Yeah, pretty sure Nathan Lyon (a good bowler obviously but no elite wicket taker) also got wickets against them in India didn't he?
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Don't speak that way about the world's premier non-chucking off spinner.
 
Cabinet96

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Spark said:
I've posted this before, but: it's really hard to see what he brings that Stokes doesn't, tbh.
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Runs. I think the batting order sort of complicates what the players are there for. Woakes is a fourth seamer who was brought in to boost the batting. Moeen is the frontline spinner who's a decent international bat. I think it might be better to judge Moeen predominantly on his bowling and Woakes predominantly on his batting.
 
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Howe_zat said:
If Woakes didn't have a high score of 25 that would be much more convincing
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Yeah, because he's been given so many chances to get massive runs…Maybe if we wanted to cherry pick stats we'd mention that he's got out once in four innings and averages over 70...

Maybe if Root could handle three balls on Thursday he would've got more.
 
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LegionOfBrad

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Shamefully stolen from another forum but:

"Wonder if thats the least participation for a MOTM in a test?

Broad bowled just 13 overs and faced just 6 deliveries with the bat and bagged the MOTM."
 
Cabinet96

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hendrix said:
Nah this is bollocks.

Kohli and Pujara haven't got runs yet, and Shami hasn't yet found rhythm. Ashwin will play next test and likely contribute more than Binny.

Moreover, India haven't yet put on a truly big score. As soon as they do, England will be done for the series.
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hendrix said:
This series obviously could get better for England, but it could get much, much worse. Ian Bell might score some runs this series, Anderson might bowl better, hell, Cook might even pull himself together.

But Virat Kohli and Che Pujara could find form, and India might drop Binny for Ashwin. Dhawan scoring runs is probably more likely to happen than Cook. If any of those very feasible things happen, this series could get very brutal, very quick.
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In hindsight, these were kind of third gear posts.
 
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superkingdave

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I rate Woakes, I don't know why, but I think he's going to have a decent test career, I'd like to say the same for Jordan but no quite sure I see it. Neither of them will keep Finn out of the test side long term in my opinion, but I see Woakes as a better compliment to a Jimmeh/Broad/Finn attack than Jordan.
 
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91Jmay

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So glad at least we aren't looking 90s bad anymore. Don't think anyone is under any illusions about us challenging Aus/SA (although we will give the bogan brigade a decent series at home, think they will edge it) for a while but at least we have some solid players currently in the side. Life after Jimmy/Broad scary but we have two years for that I think. See Jimmy retiring from ODIs after this World cup.
 
grecian

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I love Broad, but ridiculous Jimmeh wasn't MOTM, he was arguably the better bowler in the first innings, and made the breakthoughs in the second.
 
NasserFan207

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superkingdave said:
I rate Woakes, I don't know why, but I think he's going to have a decent test career, I'd like to say the same for Jordan but no quite sure I see it. Neither of them will keep Finn out of the test side long term in my opinion, but I see Woakes as a better compliment to a Jimmeh/Broad/Finn attack than Jordan.
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Agree that if Finn is playing then Woakes would be a better fit as 4th seamer

Remains to be seen if Finn will reach those levels however
 
hendrix

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I think there are quite a few SC bowlers who somehow don't get picked who are probably better than him. Ojha, Babar, Mishra etc. But he's also better than a lot of specialist spinners (Craig, Sodhi, probably Benn, a few of the Bangladeshis, Jadeja, Ashwin...).

Being a better spinner than Duminy is about as good as it gets if you're batting in the top 7. And yeah I think his batting will come good too.
 
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91Jmay

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Yeah you are probably right on the SC spinners in the SC, but I'm not convinced they'd take more wickets than him in Eng/Aus/Sa/Nz consistently. Early days and he could come back down to earth easily (not seen him need to bowl long spells to get batters out yet) but I am excited that he is a dependable spinner and a talented lower order bat. Thought it would be a huge issue for us going forward but glad that so far I have been wrong.
 
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