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***Official*** India in England 2014

Watson33

U19 12th Man
If only England had a first class spinner like Swann, then they could enforce the follow on without worrying about burning Jimmy and Broad out.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
If only England had a first class spinner like Swann, then they could enforce the follow on without worrying about burning Jimmy and Broad out.
Yeah I'm a massive advocate of batting once and then enforcing the follow on, but England are effectively playing with a three-man attack (I'm couting Moeen and Woakes as half a bowler each for now) and the first innings declaration was incongruous with a bat once philosophy anyway.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Kind of feel you have to bowl first if you want to bat once most of the time. Three days in the field is just impossible if you haven't got a spinner you know will do really well.
 

Burgey

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Kind of feel you have to bowl first if you want to bat once most of the time. Three days in the field is just impossible if you haven't got a spinner you know will do really well.
Yeah it's very much about managing your players when the matches are ao close together, isn't if?
 

Flem274*

123/5
I had kinda thought that Kohli and Pujara were a class above the other young batsmen around the world (Root, Williamson, Rahane, Bravo and can't think of anyone else), but is it possible that they're coming back to join the leading pack?
Pujara is a brick wall defensively but I've been wondering for a while if teams are looking at his wagon wheel and learning he's stronger on width and short stuff when it comes to attack, so they bowl in the zones that he isn't likely to hurt them as much (which also happen to roughly be the zones you're meant to bowl in with a new rock anyway).

Shut him down and wait. Class player and will adapt but atm he's not quite where he should be as a batsman. He's a young guy with a good batting brain so he'll sort himself out.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Kind of feel you have to bowl first if you want to bat once most of the time. Three days in the field is just impossible if you haven't got a spinner you know will do really well.
For god's sake none of England's players even bowled as many as 20 overs today. I remember Australia's 3 man plus a duffer attack in 2005, the best seamers had a much greater workload and they will have no doubt had hotter weather in Australia.

If India follow-on then England can bowl whoever they bloody well like midway through the final day because it won't matter at that point.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah I'm a massive advocate of batting once and then enforcing the follow on, but England are effectively playing with a three-man attack (I'm couting Moeen and Woakes as half a bowler each for now) and the first innings declaration was incongruous with a bat once philosophy anyway.
I'm normally an advocate for not enforcing the follow-on (at least for sides that rely primarily on pace for taking wickets), but in this case I think it's England's best option. If England don't enforce the follow-on, then they'll likely only have about 130 overs to win the match. That's not a lot of time given the pitch isn't showing any obvious signs of deterioration. Even if it does start to break up on day 5, it's still debatable whether Moeen is going to be a factor. And tomorrow morning Anderson and Broad will already have had a night with their feet up. I'm not sure how much the two of them spending an extra 3 hours in the pavillion will really benefit England. My inclination would definitely be to enforce the follow-on. It's risky given the short spacing between matches, but England really have to win this one anyway, so it's worth the gamble imo.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Jimmy Anderson is arguably the fittest and most durable fast bowler in the world. If you're going to enforce the follow on having a guy like him in the side is a major help. It's a situation where a skipper like Clarke would have to think carefully due to the age and injury records of the quicks he usually has at his disposal.
 

the big bambino

International Captain
Not a fan of the follow on and prefer to ensure my opponents got to bat last. Obviously weather conditions and time restraints are over riding factors. If Eng get the last 2 wickets quickly I'd bat again. Jimmy Anderson getting a good write up (with Broad) on cricinfo for his work yesterday. What a player he's become from the time he had a rep for softness. Have to admire his cussed streak and even if he isn't taking 5 fers is still sniping out the oppo's quality batsmen.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Pujara is a brick wall defensively but I've been wondering for a while if teams are looking at his wagon wheel and learning he's stronger on width and short stuff when it comes to attack, so they bowl in the zones that he isn't likely to hurt them as much (which also happen to roughly be the zones you're meant to bowl in with a new rock anyway).

Shut him down and wait. Class player and will adapt but atm he's not quite where he should be as a batsman. He's a young guy with a good batting brain so he'll sort himself out.
Interestingly, the plans to Kohli are the exact opposite: give him nothing straight whatsoever, stack the offside field and let his ODI instincts to hit to where there aren't fielders cause him to square up looking to play across the line. McCullum did this to him at Eden Park and it looks like England are doing the same thing.

It is a problem that is rather easily fixed.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
Hmmm, not sure about the follow on, some good arguments for both scenarios been made.

To me this is a must win test for England, moreso than any other I can recall in a long time. A draw is no ****ing good for us at all here.

So whatever call is made it must be done with the thought of what gives England the best chance of wining..........to me that says enforce it (if we get the option of course) I'm not normally a fan of the follow on and it is rare that I'd advocate it but I think I am here.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Unless Broad was bluffing then India ain't following on
Think it was a pretty unsubtle message to Messrs Cook & Moores (it's just struck me we almost have Pete & Dud in charge...) that he wants to rest his buggered knee for 30 or 40 overs.

Not convinced we'll even have the option, myself. Dhoni looks in a shot playing mood, which is the way he should go, IMHO. His version of blocking is just wrong and doesn't look any safer than him trying to score off (practically) every ball.
 

auditor

School Boy/Girl Captain
Match tied - most likely

Today England must quickly complete the inning (under 200), another chance to win will not.
They do not have enough time.
 
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