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***Official*** India in England 2014

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Solid enough reasons to grant Bairstow a full five match Ashes series after deciding Compton wasn't good enough based on two tests though?
Possibly not, but a public dummy spit is not the way to enhance one's chances of a recall when one's replacement comes up short.

Bairstow's face fitting didn't save him from being dropped (twice now) either but at least he's been content to let his runs (or sad lack thereof currently) do his talking for him.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Need I remind people - England have lost seven of their last nine test matches while under Cook. This was a side that prior to the reign of Cook were ranked #1 in the world.
Selective memory there, Blocky. In the early days of Cook's captaincy for England not only were the team successful but he individually was successful.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah but you'd be dropping him for a poor shot when the match was probably already lost once Prior was out (and really, before day 5). India still had in excess of 130 runs IIRC, and the new ball to call upon whenever they wanted.

The (muddled) thinking was that they needed to score before the new ball. It was poor thinking but that's what he was going for. It would have been more inexcusable had they only required 50 odd but they were quite far away and needed to get close before the game would be in the balance.

I think the partnership between Root and Moeen has done England an injustice by making this target more gettable than it really was. England were never close to getting there and the fact that wickets fell in clumps (as they always do in these types of chases) is providing a red herring. The match was lost before day 5.
Nah, I mean it would've been a big effort for England to win, but with Root still at the crease and Plunkett and Broad still to come, there was no reason to think that the game was over. England needed about 120 to win at that point. A sound and sensible 20-30 could've made a huge impact on the game. Instead he plays an utterly mindless stroke with 3 men back for the hook. If he was looking for quick runs then he should've tried slamming it through the off-side, half of Sharma's deliveries were well wide of off-stump. It was horrendous batting and he deserves all the criticism that he gets for it.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Possibly not, but a public dummy spit is not the way to enhance one's chances of a recall when one's replacement comes up short.

Bairstow's face fitting didn't save him from being dropped (twice now) either but at least he's been content to let his runs (or sad lack thereof currently) do his talking for him.
Fair enough on the post dropping behaviour. But I do feel that it was at least somewhat justified given the, IMO, clear double standards on how long a player was allowed to go through a rut before the cutting of the throat. There was obviously something more to it and the obvious things to think of are batting style or personality. Given the subsequent way Root batted in the Ashes series that followed, I'm more inclined to think that it may have been the latter.
 

cnerd123

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Yeah but you'd be dropping him for a poor shot when the match was probably already lost once Prior was out (and really, before day 5). India still had in excess of 130 runs IIRC, and the new ball to call upon whenever they wanted.
That is an awful way to excuse a poor shot.

If you don't play to win (or draw) then don't bother playing at all. Doesn't matter if game is already lost. You stick it out and fight.
 
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hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
That is an awful way to excuse a poor shot.

If you don't play to win (or draw) then don't bother playing at all. Doesn't matter if game is already lost. You stick it out and fight.
look I agree it was a poor shot but:
a) it probably wasn't what cost them the match
b) he's been performing in his designated role.

It wouldve been outrageous for England to have chased >300 4th innings on this pitch. The Beard and Root got this way closer than it shouldve been.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
look I agree it was a poor shot but:
a) it probably wasn't what cost them the match
b) he's been performing in his designated role.

It wouldve been outrageous for England to have chased >300 4th innings on this pitch. The Beard and Root got this way closer than it shouldve been.
Don't let him being at 8 fool you. His designated role isn't just to bowl with runs being a bonus.
 

cnerd123

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It may not be what cost them the match, but no one single error did. It's a series of small errors, like Stokes/Prior/Root's shots, like Anderson's lines first session and lengths against Jadeja, like Prior's dropped catch, like the tactic of Plunkett bowling short. You can't excuse any of them because they all, individually, 'probably weren't what cost them the match'.

And I'm pretty sure England expected runs from him when they picked him - if they wanted a pure 4th seamer they had better options.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Don't let him being at 8 fool you. His designated role isn't just to bowl with runs being a bonus.
True enough, i suppose he and the beard are an amalgam. I guess we have to ask whether Jordan would contributed more with bat and ball. Maybe, would be my answer.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
It may not be what cost them the match, but no one single error did. It's a series of small errors, like Stokes/Prior/Root's shots, like Anderson's lines first session and lengths against Jadeja, like Prior's dropped catch, like the tactic of Plunkett bowling short. You can't excuse any of them because they all, individually, 'probably weren't what cost them the match'.

And I'm pretty sure England expected runs from him when they picked him - if they wanted a pure 4th seamer they had better options.
Plunkett bowling short first day, Anderson's lines and the dropped catches and poor captaincy on day one cost them an order of magnitude than any of the 4th innings batting failures.

And I'm not sure if England have a better pure 4th seamer than Stokes. Jordan isn't necessarily better. Just as England probably don't have a better spinner than Moeen.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
Losing to this Indian side should be like losing to Bangladesh. Not considering the talent but the inexperience. The total runs scored by Indian XI prior to this test was almost on par with what the Bangla XI had in their last test match. And both aggregate runs and wickets taken by this Indian XI is lower than that of Jaques Kallis' tally.

Creditable achievement by this young inexperienced and rebuilding Indian side to beat England team at their home. And to say they lost the toss and were inserted on a green pitch, conditions being completely non subcontinental.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Plunkett bowling short first day, Anderson's lines and the dropped catches and poor captaincy on day one cost them an order of magnitude than any of the 4th innings batting failures.

And I'm not sure if England have a better pure 4th seamer than Stokes. Jordan isn't necessarily better. Just as England probably don't have a better spinner than Moeen.
Probably Finn? Though his numbers for Middlesex this season aren't earth shattering.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I am glad that Cook isn't/doesn't-seem capable of dropping himself and his best pal. Reaffirms Machiavelli and other theories of those in power, and the value of democracy.

Dhoni, too, is a weird case for India. He shouldn't play outside the sub-continent as a batsman-wicket-keeper. But he is our captain. Can't drop himself.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Btw, I have seen some amazing variations in player preferences going forward from the English fans here.

Can someone summarize who are the two best pacers to replace any of Plunkett and Stokes? Kerrigan seems to be the common vote for spinner. But so many names for pacers and batsmen.

What happened to Carberry and Compton? Why the hell does Adam Lyth keep coming up? :wacko:
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Plunkett should keep his place for now

btw the the one thing I will say in Cook's defence is that he would have known when giving his post-match interview that Prior was out already. Might as well spare his blushes.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Really, you think? I'm not so sure. Not that his Prior comments should need defending anyway. Captain in defending player and trying to keep his confidence levels from ceasing to exist shock.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Just got to know about Prior. Don't know whether it was his personal decision or the Board's, but well handled.

Hope you dolts get James Foster in.
 

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