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***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

Slifer

International Captain
I think both teams have on the field their strongest and most promising line ups in some years. Both teams could beat higher ranked units with these line ups. I also suspect that NZ may have been in more strife had you had Narine and the future looks promising for the West Indies.

I don't know if Edwards is the answer for you but the test standard players I see are

1) Braithwaite
2) Gayle (I am not sold on him but he gets starts)
3)
4) Bravo
5) Chanders
6) Too soon to comment on young Blackwood
7) Ramdin
8) Holder
9) Narine
10 Roach
11 Taylor

That's a solid core
Unfortunately for us, Chanders is going to go very very soon which will leave a huge vacuum in our middle order. If the selectors have any sense, for the upcoming series vs Bangladesh, they should rest Sir Chanders and try to blood one or two new middle order batsmen. Also at this point NZ are the better outfit and I only hope both teams can have improved performances overseas vs stronger opposition
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Unfortunately for us, Chanders is going to go very very soon which will leave a huge vacuum in our middle order. If the selectors have any sense, for the upcoming series vs Bangladesh, they should rest Sir Chanders and try to blood one or two new middle order batsmen. Also at this point NZ are the better outfit and I only hope both teams can have improved performances overseas vs stronger opposition
Is he? I mean, in terms of form I see no reason why he would quit - he's still the best batsman in the side by a distance and has held up very nicely against one of the stronger seam bowling attacks going around at the moment. I see no obvious reason why he couldn't go on playing for another 2 or 3 years, especially given WI's relatively light touring schedule in that time. At the very least, I would expect that he would be targetting surpassing Lara as WI's highest all time run-scorer. And I wouldn't drop him from the side, not even for a test series against Bangladesh, at the risk that he gets too comfortable at home.
 
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Athlai

Not Terrible
Here is another one for Bahnz or anyone else.

Southee's average is currently 30.07

If he finishes with less than 30 tomorrow - when will be the last time that NZ had two bowlers with 75+ wickets and sub 30 averages.
Since Kingston of this series.
 

Howsie

International Captain
Kane Richardson‏@KWRichardson23

So Kane Williamson made another test 100? I only got the 3 congratulatory tweets this time!

:laugh:
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
Now for the ultimate:

When was the last time NZ had two test batsmen with 1000 career runs @ 40+ and two bowlers with 75 career wickets @ less than 30?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say never.

EDIT: Sinclair had 999 runs at the end of the Brisbane test in 2001/02!
 
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Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Hmmm...I'm going to say never. Which makes this current team pretty special when you think about it.
 
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Immenso

International Vice-Captain
Now for the ultimate:

When was the last time NZ had two test batsmen with 1000 career runs @ 40+ and two bowlers with 75 career wickets @ less than 30?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say never.

EDIT: Sinclair had 999 runs at the end of the Brisbane test in 2001/02!
I was going to suggest that Brisbane test, was McMillans average still over 40 then?
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Here's a toughie

Baz and Ross both have double hundreds.

Name the instances where two Kiwis have played together who would end up with a double hundred at some point in their career?

I am aware of at least two other instances.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
I was going to suggest that Brisbane test, was McMillans average still over 40 then?
That's probably the closest we've ever come to it. McMillan's average was 42, but Richardson hadn't yet reached 1000 runs, and Fleming was still stuck in the high 30's.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Here's a toughie

Baz and Ross both have double hundreds.

Name the instances where two Kiwis have played together who would end up with a double hundred at some point in their career?

I am aware of at least two other instances.
Young and Fleming for sure. Ditto for Jesse and Ross. I also suspect that Crowe and Turner would've played together once or twice.

EDIT: Nope, just checked - Crowe and Turner never played together.

Fleming and Taylor played together. Brendon and Jesse. Sutcliffe and Donnelly. Crowe and Fleming. Astle and Fleming and McCullum. Probably a couple of others. Oh and Sinclair played with Fleming, Taylor, McCullum, Astle.

Basically once you get into the 1990's onwards there are tons of possible combinations.
 
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Binkley

U19 Captain
I think both teams have on the field their strongest and most promising line ups in some years. Both teams could beat higher ranked units with these line ups. I also suspect that NZ may have been in more strife had you had Narine and the future looks promising for the West Indies.
I agree. And irrespective of the result tomorrow, I think both sides will take more positives than negatives out of this series.

For New Zealand:
+ Williamson and Watling are still awesome (and so is Ross, although maybe a little less so than a few months' ago)
+ Latham and Neesham both start to fulfill some of their promise and gave the batting even more beef
?+ Sodhi looked a genuine threat occasionally, but was still far too wild
?+ Craig had one great test, and three poor innings afterwards - we are still looking for a long-term spin option
?+ Southee and Boult were both decent, but seemed to lose a little of their previously razor sharp edge as the series went on
- McCullum's batting looked very out-of-sorts, while Fulton and Rutherford were both awful and we are still looking for a long-term opening option.

For the West Indies:
+ Brathwaite, and to a lesser degree Blackwood both look really promising with bat in hand
+ Chanderpaul, Bravo (especially given his personal issues), Gayle and Ramdin all maintained their batting form
+ Roach, Holder and Taylor provide a much improved pace attack
?+ I am not completely sold on Edwards, but he has certainly shown some promise
?+ Benn hasn't been the threat he might have been, but he has been by far the best spinner on display
- Ramdin seems to have lost confidence behind the stumps something wicked
- Shillingford has not done well, and seems to be just filling space until Narine returns
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Young and Fleming for sure. Ditto for Jesse and Ross. I also suspect that Crowe and Turner would've played together once or twice.
There is another example and I don't believe crowe and turner played together. Or at least not that I can find.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
If the Windies ever conspire to field a bowling attack of Roach, Taylor, Holder and Narine - all fully fit - then I think they'll cause serious problems for some of the other mid-table sides. I'm still a bit worried about their batting though - especially with Gayle apparently no longer knowing how to build a test innings. There'll be big pressure on Edwards, Bravo and Blackwood to win matches for their side in the coming years.
 

Slifer

International Captain
If the Windies ever conspire to field a bowling attack of Roach, Taylor, Holder and Narine - all fully fit - then I think they'll cause serious problems for some of the other mid-table sides. I'm still a bit worried about their batting though - especially with Gayle apparently no longer knowing how to build a test innings. There'll be big pressure on Edwards, Bravo and Blackwood to win matches for their side in the coming years.
AWTA. Apparently according to WW and Beamer (who are more knowledgeable about our domestic set-up) there are some batting prospects waiting in the wings. I hope the selectors also have enough common sense to continue to invest in other prospective bowlers like Beaton and Cummings. I sure as hell don't want us to ever ever end up in a situation like we did this past winter where we had to bring back in the likes of Tino Worst oops I mean Best.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Now for the ultimate:

When was the last time NZ had two test batsmen with 1000 career runs @ 40+ and two bowlers with 75 career wickets @ less than 30?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say never.

EDIT: Sinclair had 999 runs at the end of the Brisbane test in 2001/02!
I reckon in the middle eighties Crowe and Reid/Jones, plus Paddles would have just needed Chats or Cairns to sneak under for a few games to make it.

Failing that I'd try the 60s or 70s. We had a couple good batsmen in that era and a host of seamers but I'm unsure on their final wicket tallies. Collinge, Taylor and Cameron were all good bowlers.
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Young and Fleming for sure. Ditto for Jesse and Ross. I also suspect that Crowe and Turner would've played together once or twice.

EDIT: Nope, just checked - Crowe and Turner never played together.

Fleming and Taylor played together. Brendon and Jesse. Sutcliffe and Donnelly. Crowe and Fleming. Astle and Fleming and McCullum. Probably a couple of others. Oh and Sinclair played with Fleming, Taylor, McCullum, Astle.

Basically once you get into the 1990's onwards there are tons of possible combinations.
Fleming, Sinclair, Astle and Vincent all ended up with double tonnes and all played together a few times in the same team.
 

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