***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

[BackFootPunch]

No.

Just trying to justify playing Shillingford I am sure.

Or trying to unjustify it. Maybe Ramdin isn't a fan so he's sending a message to the selectors by letting Shillingford bowl and show how average he is. If he just didn't bowl him then Shillingford would have an excuse. As it stands he's had ample opportunity and proved he's not up to it.

Vettori did something similar with Mark Gillespie a few years ago, I think.

 

[hendrix]

Or trying to unjustify it. Maybe Ramdin isn't a fan so he's sending a message to the selectors by letting Shillingford bowl and show how average he is. If he just didn't bowl him then Shillingford would have an excuse. As it stands he's had ample opportunity and proved he's not up to it.

Vettori did something similar with Mark Gillespie a few years ago, I think.

Either way it's potentially cost him a Test series.

Even if it's out of sheer ignorance it's pretty negligent captaincy.

 

[Bahnz]

I wouldn't even bother with 5 overs of slogging tomorrow morning, especially with the weather forecast. 300+ is enough. I'm hoping McCullum has the courage to go for the win.

Oh, and it's great to see that Kane finally earnt that Big Daddy necklace.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

excellent work from our adorable future captain

 

[kyear2]

Or trying to unjustify it. Maybe Ramdin isn't a fan so he's sending a message to the selectors by letting Shillingford bowl and show how average he is. If he just didn't bowl him then Shillingford would have an excuse. As it stands he's had ample opportunity and proved he's not up to it.

Vettori did something similar with Mark Gillespie a few years ago, I think.

Interesting though.

 

[hendrix]

I wouldn't even bother with 5 overs of slogging tomorrow morning, especially with the weather forecast. 300+ is enough. I'm hoping McCullum has the courage to go for the win.

it's only 3 runs an over.

5 overs of batting gives the bowlers another 40 runs to play with and enables all out aggression.

 

[kyear2]

300 is enough, if it were us I would want to declare overnight.

 

[Bahnz]

It's 3 runs an over if there's no rain , which almost certainly won't be the case. But even if it's bright and sunny all day, if we bowl well I have absolute confidence that WI won't get near 300. Maybe it's a little reckless, but for some reason I'm in a real Warne-esque "risk a loss to win" mood atm. It's been 12 years since we last won a series away from home, I want to see it happen!

 

[Flem274*]

If the West Indies chase 300 on a rain affected day with a deteriorating pitch then well done them. Declare overnight and have a go, hopefully under some nice morning cloud on a deck spiced up by the rain.

 

[hendrix]

5 overs takes away almost nothing in terms of bowling time but adds plenty in terms of run chase.
You still get two new balls and you have a safety net.
Windies are still going to want to go after 340 because they want to win the series. So they'll still bat aggressively. It just allows our bowlers more leeway.


If at the end of the day they're 290/8 chasing 307, both teams would have had a chance of winning it. In the same situation chasing 340, only one team would have a shot at it.

 

[Hurricane]

98 overs bro.

Personally, I'd bat 5 overs tomorrow morning, get the lead up to 340, and then we have 93 overs. Still two goes with the new ball.

lose 3 for change of innings unless you declare overnight so 90 overs in your example.

edit - make that two overs (just googled it bahnz is right)

 

[Bahnz]

5 overs takes away almost nothing in terms of bowling time but adds plenty in terms of run chase. You still get two new balls and you have a safety net.
Windies are still going to want to go after 340 because they want to win the series. So they'll still bat aggressively. It just allows our bowlers more leeway.


If at the end of the day they're 290/8 chasing 307, both teams would have had a chance of winning it. In the same situation chasing 340, only one team would have a shot at it.

Nonsense, it takes away 7 overs (5 plus the 2 over changeover). That's more than enought time to pick up 2 or 3 tail-end wickets. And I tend to think WI will be perfectly happy with a draw given a) the torrid year they've had, and b) all the momentum is going against them.

Seriously, making 300 in a 4th innings is extraordinarily difficult, and this pitch is starting to break up nicely. 3.1 is already a challenging enough RPO to force them to take risks. And if WI somehow make it against a rested and hungry Boult-Southee-Wagner trio, then they deserve to win the series.

 

[hendrix]

3.1 is not challenging at all on this wicket. The outfield is very fast. Even in the first innings with NZ losing wickets all over the place NZ went at 3.74.

West Indies have not gone at a rate below 3.22 this whole series. Even on that crappy Sabina Park outfield.

West Indies have picked 5 bowlers because they're desperate to win the series. They will chase no matter the score.

 

[Flem274*]

Good, they have 6 batsmen and one might be injured. Let them have a go. It's much easier to get out batsmen who are playing aggressively than guys who shut down. Tbh I'm worried about a Brathwaite, Chanderpaul, Bravo brick wall tomorrow.

 

[hendrix]

Good, they have 6 batsmen and one might be injured. Let them have a go. It's much easier to get out batsmen who are playing aggressively than guys who shut down. Tbh I'm worried about a Brathwaite, Chanderpaul, Bravo brick wall tomorrow.

again, 3.1 rpo is not "having a go".

It's actually slower than they've batted in the whole series.

Make them score at 3.7 rpo. That's having a go.

 

[Bahnz]

WI scored at 2.7 RPO on day 3, when NZ actually bowled to their potential (well Southee, Boult and Wagner did). Yes they might get a bit of a head-start from Gayle - but then again there's a very good chance that Gayle will get nicked out for next to nothing with the way he's been batting of late. The pitch has gotten worse to bat on since then, and if there's sun around tomorrow, those cracks will open up later in the day.

 

[Days of Grace]

Still have to bear in mind the possibility of Gayle scoring 120 off 70 balls. I think we need 350.

 

[Binkley]

again, 3.1 rpo is not "having a go".

It's actually slower than they've batted in the whole series.

Make them score at 3.7 rpo. That's having a go.

I am with Hendrix on this. 3.1 rpo seems easy on this wicket. A stroll if Craig keeps going at 5s. An absolute doddle if Gayle can score 80 off 46 again. If we lose more overs to rain in the morning, then I would totally reconsider - but assuming the day dawns fine I would bat 5 overs more.

 

[Blakey]

3.1 is not challenging at all on this wicket. The outfield is very fast. Even in the first innings with NZ losing wickets all over the place NZ went at 3.74.

West Indies have not gone at a rate below 3.22 this whole series. Even on that crappy Sabina Park outfield.

West Indies have picked 5 bowlers because they're desperate to win the series. They will chase no matter the score.

You could argue that NZ increased their run rate because they'd gone so slowly in the previous tests and doing so played a hand in them losing wickets all over the place.

How much of WI's 3.22 run rate was helped by the WI's second innings battering?

 

[kyear2]

How many team have scored over 300 on a final day to win a Test, not that many.

I actually see Edwards as being the key with Brathwaite playing the anchor and that's asking a lot.