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***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
As for it being your opinion, WW, my opinion may be that the earth is flat. My opinion may be that vaccines cause autism in young children. My opinion may be that 9/11 was an inside job and Barack Obama is secretly a Communist Muslim Reptilian who is part of the illuminati.


And that's fine. You or I are entitled to any one of those opinions. They're wrong, but we're entitled to them nonetheless. That's the great thing about (relatively) free speech [/Cribb]


But in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, don't expect anybody to accept that opinion. You can't just stick your fingers in your ears and hide behind the "it's my opinion" card when you're defending the indefensible. Hawkeye proves that the ball was hitting the stumps. Every other condition of LBW was met. The correct decision was made, whether you like it or not.


even Jeremy Coney was saying he wouldn't have given that out either...imo that ball was too wide and was spinning far too much to really tell if it would have hit the stump or not. Watling's one was far more conclusive but the umpire screwed up...thankfully we won the test so it didn't matter in the end.


And as for Kane...GOOD, he's been getting away with it for far too long.

Then Coney would have been wrong too. The ball was hitting the stumps and met every single criteria for LBW. Just because it didn't look out doesn't mean it wasn't out. Batsmen have been getting away with that kind of thing for far too long because most umpires don't have the balls to give it out. DRS is now showing that those decisions can be given accurately.


Batsman's game etc.


And the Watling decision was a screw up, no argument from me. But the first rule of umpiring is never play catch-up. Two mistakes to cancel each other out are exponentially worse than one mistake in isolation.


And about bloody time Kane got reported. Looks horrendous, whether he is found to chuck or not. While we're at it, let's nominate Brumby for Chief 'Get That Bloke Tested' Guy so we can once and for all tell where those 4/10 'kinks' stand vis-a-vis those 8/10 'pitches'.

even Jeremy Coney was saying he wouldn't have given that out either...imo that ball was too wide and was spinning far too much to really tell if it would have hit the stump or not. Watling's one was far more conclusive but the umpire screwed up...thankfully we won the test so it didn't matter in the end.

And as for Kane...GOOD, he's been getting away with it for far too long.
Then Coney would have been wrong too. The ball was hitting the stumps and met every single criteria for LBW. Just because it didn't look out doesn't mean it wasn't out. Batsmen have been getting away with that kind of thing for far too long because most umpires don't have the balls to give it out. DRS is now showing that those decisions can be given accurately.

Batsman's game etc.

And the Watling decision was a screw up, no argument from me. But the first rule of umpiring is never play catch-up. Two mistakes to cancel each other out are exponentially worse than one mistake in isolation.

And about bloody time Kane got reported. Looks horrendous, whether he is found to chuck or not. While we're at it, let's nominate Brumby for Chief 'Get That Bloke Tested' Guy so we can once and for all tell where those 4/10 'kinks' stand vis-a-vis those 8/10 'pitches'.
 
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Dan

Hall of Fame Member
The question is will Kane stop bowling before he's tested? and will that impact on the selection of the team?
Nah, rules state Kane can continue to bowl until the results are announced. Pretty much every other bowler tested has continued to bowl until the results have been released before undertaking remedial action. Imagine if Murali stopped bowling every time he was sent for testing and had a delay before the results.

Baz may be slightly more conservative with his use, but tbh if KW doesn't bowl I suspect it's for tactical reasons, not a McCullum-led moral stance against chucking. They still pick Kyle Mills in ODIs, and Andy Ellis has (somehow) got an ODI gig in the past.

some say Mccullum should open?

Mccullum
Latham
Williamson
Taylor
Neesham
Anderson
Walting
Sodhi
Southee
Boult
Wagner

is what some have suggested on cricinfo but apparently Anderson hasn't been too well from what Dujon understands...so one wonders if he's gonna feature.
If Anderson is unwell and we get Captain Opener...


5. Ronchi
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Doesn't matter if he's 'better' or not. The question is 'is he likely to perform better than Rutherford or Fulton if selected'. The answer is yes IMO. Ronchi isn't the perfect option, but he's less-bad than Fulton coming back or Rutherford in spinning conditions.

Phlegm to rage IMO.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Oh and Hesson likes Shots Off Both Feet Ronchi, while Watling is absolutely undroppable. Climbing in through the window now that the other door has resolutely been slammed shut.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Ronchi is not a better batsman than Rutherford.
I rate them on a very similar level and Rutherford is completely out of sorts right now. I agree with Dan.

Won't happen as there's basically no chance of McCullum opening but I'd be making that move with the squad available.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Oh and Hesson likes Shots Off Both Feet Ronchi, while Watling is absolutely undroppable. Climbing in through the window now that the other door has resolutely been slammed shut.
Hesson likes McCullum not opening most of all though.
 

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
Utterly fummoxed by the gentle swing of Sam Wells, Ronchi. Try to keep him away from reverse swing and non-Kookaburra cricket, if you can.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Ronchi in the middle order is better than Rutherford in the middle order but Ronchi is disqualified obvz.

And neither are a test five. I'd legitimately move Watling to five before putting Ronchi there because he's just not suited to it.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Doesn't matter if he's 'better' or not. The question is 'is he likely to perform better than Rutherford or Fulton if selected'. The answer is yes IMO. Ronchi isn't the perfect option, but he's less-bad than Fulton coming back or Rutherford in spinning conditions..
I don't think he's more likely to perform than Rutherford, no.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Brendon McCullum said on the radio yesterday that BJ Watling is becoming his new favourite player.

Baz WAG.

BJ's BJs
Phlegm
Athlai
Dan
Cribb
Kippax
Brendon McCullum
 

Flem274*

123/5
Watling also at the point where in an alternative universe where he couldn't keep wicket I'd still be quite happy with the below as my top six:

Latham
McCullum
Williamson
Taylor
Watling
Neesham

He makes it on merit imo.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Hesson likes McCullum not opening most of all though.
Yeah, definitely -- but after he had to do it last Test anyway, with Rutherford and Fulton in form that would make them unpickable if there was anybody who could potentially open the batting in their place on tour, and with the series in the balance, I reckon this is one time where he may consider it. Doesn't mean he'll do it, or that it will be anything resembling permanent, but I think it'll have to be in consideration.

Or if Hesson's that against it, send Ish or Craig to open.

1. Craig
2. Latham
3. Williamson
4. Taylor
5. McCullum
6. Ronchi
7. Watling +
8. Neesham
9. Southee
10. Sodhi
11. Boult


The more 'keepers in an XI the better, obviously.
 

Flem274*

123/5
The scouts like Michael Bracewell and if he either volunteers to open or Baz moves up and Bracewell is the new boy at five, we would have four past or present keepers in the eleven.
 

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