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***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
The second Chanderpaul decision was ridiculous because of how wide the ball was...but then we have decisions like Watling who was as plumb as it could be and he got away with it...i just want to see some consistency.
Umpires screw up. They're human. But they're consistently unbiased when they do screw up, and for the most part they're pretty damn good and consistent in making the correct decision. The Watling screw up was definitely an outlier, if we look at it quasi-statistically.

If they'd given Chanderpaul not out, it would have been a screw up -- he was out. Just because that screw up is more structurally ingrained because of the whole 'benefit of the doubt' idea compared to the Watling decision, doesn't mean Chanderpaul was unlucky. It just means Watling was ridiculously fortunate to benefit from an umpiring error. Chanderpaul being given was not an umpiring error -- the ball was hitting the stumps. The umpire should be commended for getting the decision right, not vilified because other umpires tend to get that decision wrong.

And FFS Chanders, you're 40 years old and have over 10 000 Test runs to your credit at over 50. Everybody knows you can bat, so bloody well use it in that circumstance.
 

Slifer

International Captain
Any way WW, what say u, should we stick out with Benn and Gabriel or bring in Holder and Narine. I know a lot of people were impressed with Benn and all (I wasn't), ditto my sentiments towards Gabriel. I honestly think we are missing an opportunity to blood these two bowlers vs a very good and competent NZ team.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
The second Chanderpaul decision was ridiculous because of how wide the ball was...but then we have decisions like Watling who was as plumb as it could be and he got away with it...i just want to see some consistency.
this is just bloody idiotic.
The ball was shown to be hitting the middle of leg stump. Not even umpire's call.

Padding away those deliveries in the hope of not being given because of "doubt" is cynical play. It's unfair to the bowler, and unfair to the umpire.
 

Salamuddin

International Debutant
Stand by my belief that if the Windies young batsmen continue to develop well (Bravo, Braithwaite , Blackwood) and they can find a couple more (still think Powell has the goods), they'll climb back up the test rankings.

They have some seriously good pace bowling talent now - probably the best that I've seen from them since the fall of the empire in 1995 - Taylor, Roach, Gabriel, Beaton, Delorn Johnson, Cummins, Carlos B, Ray Jordan, Cotterell..
 

Flem274*

123/5
Well done to the Windies on their win. They were the better team on the day (well, five days).

How good is Watling? WAG.

Happy to hear Brownlie is going to open domestically. I was going to suggest him as a makeshift opener in the UAE before I read that. I probably rate him a bit higher than I should but I'm glad he's looking for gaps in the team because imo we shouldn't throw aside a bloke who has a ton against SA and half centuries against Aus in the green top series so quickly. Bloke can play.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
this is just bloody idiotic.
The ball was shown to be hitting the middle of leg stump. Not even umpire's call.

Padding away those deliveries in the hope of not being given because of "doubt" is cynical play. It's unfair to the bowler, and unfair to the umpire.
"Idiotic"? listen YOU might not like what i'm saying..but it's MY opinion..and i'd expect you to be grown up enough to to debate the issue without resorting to personal insults 8-) . Furthermore even the commentators were surprised by the decision..and even Jeremy Coney was saying he wouldn't have given that out either...imo that ball was too wide and was spinning far too much to really tell if it would have hit the stump or not. Watling's one was far more conclusive but the umpire screwed up...thankfully we won the test so it didn't matter in the end.

And as for Kane...GOOD, he's been getting away with it for far too long.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
Any way WW, what say u, should we stick out with Benn and Gabriel or bring in Holder and Narine. I know a lot of people were impressed with Benn and all (I wasn't), ditto my sentiments towards Gabriel. I honestly think we are missing an opportunity to blood these two bowlers vs a very good and competent NZ team.
Our selectors rarely think outside the box..so i have a feeling they will stick with the status quo. If Narine really is allowed to play though (which was being speculated after the first test) then i'd bring him in for sure..but i think they'll stick with Benn.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I think it was Beamer who said it before, but I think Benn is a really good option to have a second spinner in turning conditions, but much less of a threat as the main spinner. I think he'd work well in tandem with Narine (or a pre-ban Shillingford) on a turner which makes him a big asset but he shouldn't play when conditions don't suit and he shouldn't be the #1 at any time really.
 

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
"Idiotic"? listen YOU might not like what i'm saying..but it's MY opinion..and i'd expect you to be grown up enough to to debate the issue without resorting to personal insults 8-) . Furthermore even the commentators were surprised by the decision..and even Jeremy Coney was saying he wouldn't have given that out either...imo that ball was too wide and was spinning far too much to really tell if it would have hit the stump or not. Watling's one was far more conclusive but the umpire screwed up...thankfully we won the test so it didn't matter in the end.

And as for Kane...GOOD, he's been getting away with it for far too long.
TBF this isn't really a matter of opinion, this is a matter of you trying to argue that a blue shirt is red and everyone else pointing out that it's definitely blue. No shot offered. Ball hitting the stumps. Not a whole lot of room for opinion.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
"Idiotic"? listen YOU might not like what i'm saying..but it's MY opinion...
It's not a personal insult to say that your opinion is idiotic. Padding up, the ball hitting the middle of leg stump. Those are the facts. To say that that shouldn't be given out is to say that you don't believe in the laws of cricket.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
It's not a personal insult to say that your opinion is idiotic. Padding up, the ball hitting the middle of leg stump. Those are the facts. To say that that shouldn't be given out is to say that you don't believe in the laws of cricket.
To me it doesn't reflect well on your maturity levels if you have to come out with that...but i digress. For me it was too wide and those calls should be umpire decisions..but like i said it wasn't too costly so it is what it is.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
To me it doesn't reflect well on your maturity levels if you have to come out with that...but i digress. For me it was too wide and those calls should be umpire decisions..but like i said it wasn't too costly so it is what it is.
OK, your opinion doesn't reflect well on your sanity.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
The question is will Kane stop bowling before he's tested? and will that impact on the selection of the team?

some say Mccullum should open?

Mccullum
Latham
Williamson
Taylor
Neesham
Anderson
Walting
Sodhi
Southee
Boult
Wagner

is what some have suggested on cricinfo but apparently Anderson hasn't been too well from what Dujon understands...so one wonders if he's gonna feature.
 

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