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***Official*** Sri Lanka in England and Ireland 2014

Migara

International Coach
You'll obviously never think Anderson is as good at producing reverse swing as Vaas if you use Vaas > Anderson as a fact in your assessment of whether his reverse swing was legitimate. :laugh:

Seriously, it would literally be impossible for anyone to ever be as good as Vaas at producing reverse swing by this logic. The minute anyone provided evidence to the contrary it'd automatically just be used to show they cheated. You can't use someone's inferiority as evidence of their cheating and then use their cheating to back up your assessment of their inferiority. It's circular reasoning at its absolute finest.

A is always better than B, because when B performs better than A it means B has cheated, because A is always better than B, because when...



PEWS usually makes good comments but this particular one lack logic. Vass was better producing reverse swing, and was only second to Pakistani seamers. You can argue otherwise, but that will be the sentiment of majority of people who has seen Vaas. That automatically doesn't mean Vaas > Aanderson. Former was a designer made slow pitch bowler and latter is a designer made for swinging conditions. Whenever Pakistani's get the ball to reverse in the 29th over there will be murmurs on tampering (aka cheating) and they deserve the eyebrows to be risen due to their past. (But it doesn't mean they cheat, but they are more suspicious of it). England has the been questioned on this before, not by Sri Lankans, but by Aussies on early reverse swing, once again appearing by 30-35 overs, and murray mint saga.

Yes, I stick to my statement, it looks suspicious, and it's umpires duty to check for it and if they can come out with a satisfactory answer I am happy to admit I am wrong. But till proven otherwise, the amount of reverse swing looks very suspicious. And it's not a matter of Anderson and Broad getting it, relatively unknown Jordan 9already doing) and Plunkett (one or two tailed in) starts to hoop it around it becomes very very suspicious.
 

ohnoitsyou

International Regular
PEWS usually makes good comments but this particular one lack logic. Vass was better producing reverse swing, and was only second to Pakistani seamers. You can argue otherwise, but that will be the sentiment of majority of people who has seen Vaas. That automatically doesn't mean Vaas > Aanderson. Former was a designer made slow pitch bowler and latter is a designer made for swinging conditions. Whenever Pakistani's get the ball to reverse in the 29th over there will be murmurs on tampering (aka cheating) and they deserve the eyebrows to be risen due to their past. (But it doesn't mean they cheat, but they are more suspicious of it). England has the been questioned on this before, not by Sri Lankans, but by Aussies on early reverse swing, once again appearing by 30-35 overs, and murray mint saga.

Yes, I stick to my statement, it looks suspicious, and it's umpires duty to check for it and if they can come out with a satisfactory answer I am happy to admit I am wrong. But till proven otherwise, the amount of reverse swing looks very suspicious. And it's not a matter of Anderson and Broad getting it, relatively unknown Jordan 9already doing) and Plunkett (one or two tailed in) starts to hoop it around it becomes very very suspicious.
You're overlooking the fact that Anderson is pretty high up the pantheon of reverse swing bowlers too.

And how do we even know its reverse, I mean its pretty normal for the duke to swing for most of its 80 overs
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
PEWS usually makes good comments but this particular one lack logic. Vass was better producing reverse swing, and was only second to Pakistani seamers. .
this is a) just plain wrong and b) stupid.

If a new 21 year old bowler suddenly comes on the scene and is good at reverse swing bowling, are you going to call him a cheat? A bowler can become a good exponent of reverse swing by learning how to do it, and learning how to do it well.

Anyway, I can think of plenty better reversers of the ball than Vaas. Let's start with Dayle Steyn.
 

Riggins

International Captain
this is a) just plain wrong and b) stupid.

If a new 21 year old bowler suddenly comes on the scene and is good at reverse swing bowling, are you going to call him a cheat? A bowler can become a good exponent of reverse swing by learning how to do it, and learning how to do it well.

Anyway, I can think of plenty better reversers of the ball than Vaas. Let's start with Dayle Steyn.
Yea pews rarely makes good comments.
 

Flem274*

123/5
That bouncer to Affly's boy was a peach. Jimmy still has it.

Hope Sanga tons up. Batting should get easier once Anderson and Broad are off.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'm not a massive fan of the speed-gun, but why is Jimmeh bowling much quicker than the bloke supposedly brought in as our threatening fast-bowler?
 

Flem274*

123/5
So has Moeen improved heaps or have England decided they would rather have a spin bowling batting allrounder than a specialist like Panesar or Kerrigan?

What's the plan with his selection?
 

Maximas

Cricketer Of The Year
Moeen looks a handy spinner, will be very useful in the SC as a second spinner IMO, not sold on him playing as a sole spinner however
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So has Moeen improved heaps or have England decided they would rather have a spin bowling batting allrounder than a specialist like Panesar or Kerrigan?

What's the plan with his selection?
Both really.

I don't know if they had already decided to ditch Monty or not but he got himself dropped by Essex for poor time-keeping so that was him out of the picture and there is no way they were going to pick Kerrigan again at this stage. After that there is basically nobody else.
 

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