***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

[Hurricane]

Yes.

In other words, the decision was correct as far as the best estimate by technology.

I always thought it meant "DRS thinks it is a 50/50 call so we will go with what the on field umpire thinks"

 

[Athlai]

It actually means, the technology has a large enough margin for error that for this particular delivery they can neither 100% confirm or deny that the ball is hitting.

 

[hendrix]

I always thought it meant "DRS thinks it is a 50/50 call so we will go with what the on field umpire thinks"

No.

DRS does not think it's a 50/50 call.

What it means is that the margin for error somehow is miraculously exactly equal to half the diameter of a cricket ball (what a strange coincidence!), but for some reason when the ball is predicted to be missing the stumps, that margin for error disappears.

 

[Prince EWS]

It actually means, the technology has a large enough margin for error that for this particular delivery they can neither 100% confirm or deny that the ball is hitting.

Nah, it actually means "this is out but people aren't going to accept this or the way it will change the balance between bat and ball, so we'll just stick with the umpire to keep the status quo".

The true margin for error is a lot smaller than the umpire's call margin for error. People just won't cop that because for over a hundred years the umpire has generally just given the batsman the benefit of the doubt, with the human eye obviously having more room for doubt than HawkEye has or in fact needs.

 

[hendrix]

It actually means, the technology has a large enough margin for error that for this particular delivery they can neither 100% confirm or deny that the ball is hitting.

Well that's what you'd think, except for the fact that when the ball is missing the stumps that margin for error somehow disappears.

Noone actually knows what the margin for error is apart from the creators of the technology.

 

[Hurricane]

Well I'm off to bed in a bit. It has been a fantastic test match for NZ Cricket. People were quietly discussing cricket today in the office. And who is this new spinner we have? and what about this Latham guy? People who would not have confessed to being blackcaps fans 12 months ago were walking across the floor to listen into the conversation.

In terms of reactions I have seen to test victories on CW - there have been three big reactions
Hobart
SL
and this
(We were more focused I think on Baz's 300 than our series victory or at least I was)

I think we were stunned after Hobart. And in awe of Ross after SL.
However today our conversation at CW turned to levels of admiration I have never seen before - comparisons of this side to our greatest ever sides and comparisons of Southee against 1st Bond and then Virya even posted a link comparing him to Hadlee.

Whatever happens in the rest of the series we got our money's worth out of this game and it makes me proud to be a NZ club cricketer when I see the top team playing this way. I finally got to see some Latham highlights (thanks Kippax) and he did look useful.

I think a win against the Windies in the West Indies is huge news. Congratulations New Zealand.

 

[Athlai]

Nah, it actually means "this is out but people aren't going to accept this or the way it will change the balance between bat and ball, so we'll just stick with the umpire to keep the status quo".

The true margin for error is a lot smaller than the umpire's call margin for error. People just won't cop that because for over a hundred years the umpire has generally just given the batsman the benefit of the doubt, with the human eye obviously having more room for doubt than HawkEye has or in fact needs.

Haha this is spot on.

 

[Hurricane]

Can't remember the exact numbers, but Crowe was a beast in the second half of the 80's. I think he averaged 54 from 1985 till Hadlee retired. He scored 190 odd against the greatest bowling attack of all time in Georgetown, was the batting driving force behind our runs v Aus and England, and was wonderfully consistent against all opposition. I like Taylor, but 3 centuries against (Narine aside) an FC standard bowling attack does not put him into Crowe's class.

Good post and I stand corrected I probably got caught up in the win. But you are underselling Taylor somewhat not personally as I know you rate him, but just with the words you have written in your post. He also has his ATG WTF BBQ game against SL where Hesson played mind games with him and he single handedly lead us to victory. He walked out to bat in that inning at two down for bugger all.
His average over the past 3 years is 54 and Crowe's from 85-89 being a higher 57 per the statsguru queries I just ran. But yes Crowe scoring centuries against WI is brilliant. And I don't think Taylor has tonned up against SA yet.

 

[marc71178]

One shining light is we can say we won the "second half" of the test match if one wanted to use a football analogy. It looked quite interesting to see our attack finally put NZ on the backfoot in the second digg..

How exactly did you "win" the second half? Maybe you "won" the last 6 or 7 overs but before then NZ had the better of the second innings.

In football parlance you scored a goal in injury time when you were already 5-0 down.

 

[Bahnz]

Good post and I stand corrected I probably got caught up in the win. But you are underselling Taylor somewhat not personally as I know you rate him, but just with the words you have written in your post. He also has his ATG WTF BBQ game against SL where Hesson played mind games with him and he single handedly lead us to victory. He walked out to bat in that inning at two down for bugger all.
His average over the past 3 years is 54 and Crowe's from 85-89 being a higher 57 per the statsguru queries I just ran. But yes Crowe scoring centuries against WI is brilliant. And I don't think Taylor has tonned up against SA yet.

Yeah, fair call that, I was being a bit glib and I definitely rate Taylor in the top 5 NZ batsmen of all time, and probably the top 3. But the Taylor-Crowe comparisons only really started after last year's series v WI, so I thought it important to put those innings in their proper context.

 

[Hurricane]

How exactly did you "win" the second half? Maybe you "won" the last 6 or 7 overs but before then NZ had the better of the second innings.

In football parlance you scored a goal in injury time when you were already 5-0 down.

Go easy - it was a tough post for him to make and he did congratulate nz.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I think by the end of McCullum's career, our ATG team will be something like

1. Richardson
2. Sutcliffe...

Nah - Turner and Dempster would have to be the openers

 

[Hurricane]

@Days of Grace I just noticed you in this thread.

Didn't you rate the top 100 centuries of all time?

If so would it be easy for you to post the top ten NZ centuries of all time? I was trying to name them today.

 

[RxGM]

Updated Rankings are out
Reliance ICC Player Rankings

Southee up to number 5 jumping ajmal and herath,

Rossco slides to 9

 

[Howsie]

I said it right before this Test started and Howsie ripped right into me. To be fair to Howsie this is because more or less thinks Anderson's the best player in the world so Neesham's ton probably hasn't changed his position on that in the slightest.

I rate him a lot higher than most obviously. Statistically I don't have a leg to stand on but I honestly see Taylor, Williamson..... Anderson. It's not that I don't rate Neesham either, because I really like him. I just rate Anderson as a better bat and bowler.

If Neesham wants to keep scoring ton after ton no skin of my nose though haha.

 

[BeeGee]

The team we drew with was nowhere near the ATG side Flem was up against.

We were saved by rain in two out of the three games. And the Aussies were saved by dodgy umpiring in the other.

It's a result you have to take with a grain of salt, imo.

 

[Days of Grace]

Dat LBW shout against Langer early doors in the first test cost us plenty.

 

[Flametree]

Question for the Windies followers on here : what's the story with Sarwan? Is he still playing / fit / in form? I know he had a few issues and run-ins, but the West Indies just aren't good enough to have ignored a guy who consistently averaged 40 at number three. Probably too late now, I guess.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Question for the Windies followers on here : what's the story with Sarwan? Is he still playing / fit / in form? I know he had a few issues and run-ins, but the West Indies just aren't good enough to have ignored a guy who consistently averaged 40 at number three. Probably too late now, I guess.

He fell out with the board along with Chanderpaul and Gayle after the last one day world cup. Chanders came back while we all know what happened with Gayle for two years...Sars did get another chance but his form slipped so bad he was left out. So he went to county cricket and played a few years and was given another chance in 2012...but only in one dayers..scored a ton vs Zimbabwe at home but then totally failed in Australia..since then he hasn't done himself justice in our domestic competitions and thus he's been left out again...i think that chapter is closed now tbh. Time for Jermaine Blackwood, Leon Johnson and Jonathan Carter to get a go.

 

[BeeGee]

Latham
Rutherford
Williamson
Taylor
McCullum
Neesham
Watling
Southee
Craig
Wagner
Boult

are we all agreed?

I agree, but it wouldn't surprise me if Hesson goes the "Don't change a winning team" route.