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What is your ALL TIME WORLD XI TEAM for tests?
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Without looking at Kyear's...
Australia: Mark Taylor---Archie Jackson---Don Bradman---Greg Chappell---Keith Miller---Allan Border---Adam Gilchrist---Ray Lindwall---Shane Warne---Dennis Lillee---Glenn McGrath
England: Jack Hobbs---Len Hutton---Wally Hammond---Peter May---Dennis Compton---Ian Botham---Godfrey Evans---Fred Trueman---Jim Laker---SF Barnes---Brian Statham
South Africa: Barry Richards---Graeme Smith---Jaques Kallis---Graham Pollock---AB DeVilliers----Dudley Nourse---John Waite---Mike Procter---Hugh Tayfield---Dale Steyn---Allan Donald
West Indies: Gordon Greenidge---Desmond Haynes---George Headley---Brian Lara---Viv Richards---Garry Sobers---Gerry Alexander---Malcolm Marshall---Curtly Ambrose---Joel Garner---Lance Gibbs
Australia: Mark Taylor---Archie Jackson---Don Bradman---Greg Chappell---Keith Miller---Allan Border---Adam Gilchrist---Ray Lindwall---Shane Warne---Dennis Lillee---Glenn McGrath
England: Jack Hobbs---Len Hutton---Wally Hammond---Peter May---Dennis Compton---Ian Botham---Godfrey Evans---Fred Trueman---Jim Laker---SF Barnes---Brian Statham
South Africa: Barry Richards---Graeme Smith---Jaques Kallis---Graham Pollock---AB DeVilliers----Dudley Nourse---John Waite---Mike Procter---Hugh Tayfield---Dale Steyn---Allan Donald
West Indies: Gordon Greenidge---Desmond Haynes---George Headley---Brian Lara---Viv Richards---Garry Sobers---Gerry Alexander---Malcolm Marshall---Curtly Ambrose---Joel Garner---Lance Gibbs
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kyear2
International Coach
How is it possible that not one of our teams are the same.
Our S.A and W.I teams are similar. S.A. are basically A.B.dV over Amla, but with Kallis being an active 5th bowler didn't want him batting at 3.
For the W.I. Hunte over Haynes because Hunte was the better bat and a legit no. 1 opener and as great as Gibbs was, no sense selecting him over Garner who was clearly superior as a bowler just to have a spinner in the team. Garner can bowl long spells with the old ball and take wickets on any type of wicket.
For Australia, can't justify Miller (as a 5th bowler) over a gold tier batsman like Ponting. With England Statham over Larwood is a preference call.
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I try to have 5 bowling options in my sides. Miller is a definite for me, especially with Bradman and Gilly at 3 and 7 respectively. Neil Harvey is someone I really rate, but Border was so good during an era of amazing bowling.
Amla and AB are pretty similar for mine. I just prefer AB.
I figure the WIs might as well have a full time spinner considering they already have three quicks plus Sobers.
Larwood is a good option. I think it was Fred who said once how highly he rated Statham though (I know he rates Larwood too)
Amla and AB are pretty similar for mine. I just prefer AB.
I figure the WIs might as well have a full time spinner considering they already have three quicks plus Sobers.
Larwood is a good option. I think it was Fred who said once how highly he rated Statham though (I know he rates Larwood too)
kyear2
International Coach
I prefer AB as well, just wanted a specialist No. 3 and so Amla over him. But A.B was also ridiculous at 5. Can't loose either way.
With Statham, his 5 wicket hauls per test and wpm are quite low while his s/r is a tad high and I always imagined him more of a support bowler rather than the main man.
Australia: Ponsford, Jackson, Bradman, Chappell, Miller, Border, Gilchrist, Warne, Lillee, O'Reilly, Mcgrath
West Indies: Hunte, Greenidge, Headley, Lara, Richards, Sobers, Walcott, Marshall, Ambrose, Garner, Holding
England: Hobbs, Hutton, Hammond, Barrington, Compton, Botham, Ames, Trueman, Laker, Barnes, Tyson
South Africa: Richards, Smith, Kallis, Pollock, De Villiers, Nourse, Procter, Waite, Steyn, Tayfield, Donald
Pakistan: Anwar, Hanif, Abbas, Miandad, Inzamam-ul-haq, Yousuf, Imran, Akram, Latif, Saqlain, Younis
India: Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Hazare, Laxman, Engineer, Dev, Kumble, Srinath, Prasanna
West Indies: Hunte, Greenidge, Headley, Lara, Richards, Sobers, Walcott, Marshall, Ambrose, Garner, Holding
England: Hobbs, Hutton, Hammond, Barrington, Compton, Botham, Ames, Trueman, Laker, Barnes, Tyson
South Africa: Richards, Smith, Kallis, Pollock, De Villiers, Nourse, Procter, Waite, Steyn, Tayfield, Donald
Pakistan: Anwar, Hanif, Abbas, Miandad, Inzamam-ul-haq, Yousuf, Imran, Akram, Latif, Saqlain, Younis
India: Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Hazare, Laxman, Engineer, Dev, Kumble, Srinath, Prasanna
kyear2
International Coach
ATG XI from each country
Australia ATG XI
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist[SUP]+[/SUP] | Davidson[SUP]3[/SUP] | Warne[SUP]4[/SUP]^ | Lillee[SUP]1[/SUP] | McGrath[SUP]2[/SUP]
West Indies ATG XI
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley | Lara^ | Sobers[SUP]5[/SUP]^ | Walcott[SUP]+[/SUP] | Marshall[SUP]1[/SUP] | Ambrose[SUP]2[/SUP] | Holding[SUP]3[/SUP] | Garner[SUP]4[/SUP]
South Africa ATG XI
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Kallis[SUP]5[/SUP]^ | Pollock | de Villiers | Nourse | Waite[SUP]+[/SUP] | Procter[SUP]3[/SUP] | Steyn[SUP]1[/SUP] | Tayfield[SUP]4[/SUP] | Donald[SUP]2[/SUP]
England ATG XI
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Barrington | Compton | Botham[SUP]5[/SUP]^ | | Knott[SUP]+[/SUP] | Larwood[SUP]2[/SUP] | Laker[SUP]4[/SUP] | Trueman[SUP]1[/SUP] | Barnes[SUP]3[/SUP]
Pakistan ATG XI
Anwar | Mohammad | Khan^ | Miandad^ | ul- Haq^ |Mohammad[SUP]5[/SUP] | Latif | Imran[SUP]2[/SUP] | Akram[SUP]3[/SUP] | Mahmood[SUP]4[/SUP] | Younis[SUP]1 [/SUP]
India ATG XI
Gavaskar^ | Sehwag^ | Dravid^ | Tendulkar | Hazare | Mankad[SUP]5[/SUP] | Engineer[SUP]+[/SUP] | Dev[SUP]1[/SUP] | Kumble[SUP]3[/SUP] | Srinath[SUP]2[/SUP] | Prasanna[SUP]4[/SUP]
New Zealand ATG XI
Turner | Dempster | Sutcliffe | Crowe^ | Taylor^ | Reid[SUP]5[/SUP] | Hadlee[SUP]1[/SUP] | Vettori[SUP]4[/SUP] | Smith | Bond[SUP]2[/SUP] | Cowie[SUP]3[/SUP]
Replaced Amla with A.B, kept Australia as is though. This Aussie lineup is the best team of them all by a tiny margin (over W.I and S.A.), with Miller in for Ponting at best they are equal to the others, realistically for me they fall between the W.I and S.A.
Just my opinion of course.
Australia ATG XI
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist[SUP]+[/SUP] | Davidson[SUP]3[/SUP] | Warne[SUP]4[/SUP]^ | Lillee[SUP]1[/SUP] | McGrath[SUP]2[/SUP]
West Indies ATG XI
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley | Lara^ | Sobers[SUP]5[/SUP]^ | Walcott[SUP]+[/SUP] | Marshall[SUP]1[/SUP] | Ambrose[SUP]2[/SUP] | Holding[SUP]3[/SUP] | Garner[SUP]4[/SUP]
South Africa ATG XI
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Kallis[SUP]5[/SUP]^ | Pollock | de Villiers | Nourse | Waite[SUP]+[/SUP] | Procter[SUP]3[/SUP] | Steyn[SUP]1[/SUP] | Tayfield[SUP]4[/SUP] | Donald[SUP]2[/SUP]
England ATG XI
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Barrington | Compton | Botham[SUP]5[/SUP]^ | | Knott[SUP]+[/SUP] | Larwood[SUP]2[/SUP] | Laker[SUP]4[/SUP] | Trueman[SUP]1[/SUP] | Barnes[SUP]3[/SUP]
Pakistan ATG XI
Anwar | Mohammad | Khan^ | Miandad^ | ul- Haq^ |Mohammad[SUP]5[/SUP] | Latif | Imran[SUP]2[/SUP] | Akram[SUP]3[/SUP] | Mahmood[SUP]4[/SUP] | Younis[SUP]1 [/SUP]
India ATG XI
Gavaskar^ | Sehwag^ | Dravid^ | Tendulkar | Hazare | Mankad[SUP]5[/SUP] | Engineer[SUP]+[/SUP] | Dev[SUP]1[/SUP] | Kumble[SUP]3[/SUP] | Srinath[SUP]2[/SUP] | Prasanna[SUP]4[/SUP]
New Zealand ATG XI
Turner | Dempster | Sutcliffe | Crowe^ | Taylor^ | Reid[SUP]5[/SUP] | Hadlee[SUP]1[/SUP] | Vettori[SUP]4[/SUP] | Smith | Bond[SUP]2[/SUP] | Cowie[SUP]3[/SUP]
Replaced Amla with A.B, kept Australia as is though. This Aussie lineup is the best team of them all by a tiny margin (over W.I and S.A.), with Miller in for Ponting at best they are equal to the others, realistically for me they fall between the W.I and S.A.
Just my opinion of course.
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Coronis
International Coach
Would rather chuck in Waqar over Kumble but thats just me.
Miller doesn't have to bat top 6, could have him in place of Davidson.
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Teja.
Global Moderator
Wow, I'd have a radically different South African side:
1. B Mitchell
2. GC Smith
3. JH Kallis
4. HW Taylor
5. RG Pollock
6. AD Nourse
7. JH Waite
8. MJ Proctor
9. SM Pollock
10. HJ Tayfield
11. DW Steyn
Hoping that 10-15 more tests from AB will lead me to replacing Waite.
1. B Mitchell
2. GC Smith
3. JH Kallis
4. HW Taylor
5. RG Pollock
6. AD Nourse
7. JH Waite
8. MJ Proctor
9. SM Pollock
10. HJ Tayfield
11. DW Steyn
Hoping that 10-15 more tests from AB will lead me to replacing Waite.
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
My Springbok side:
Barry Anderson Richards
Graeme Craig Smith (c)
Jacques Henry Kallis
Robert Graeme Pollock
Arthur Dudley Nourse
Abraham Benjamin de Villiers
John Henry Bickford Waite (w)
Shaun Maclean Pollock
Hugh Joseph Tayfield
Dale Willem Steyn
Allan Anthony Donald
Barry Anderson Richards
Graeme Craig Smith (c)
Jacques Henry Kallis
Robert Graeme Pollock
Arthur Dudley Nourse
Abraham Benjamin de Villiers
John Henry Bickford Waite (w)
Shaun Maclean Pollock
Hugh Joseph Tayfield
Dale Willem Steyn
Allan Anthony Donald
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Love that side, and not a long way from the team I'd pick.
A question though. I assumed you didn't pick Richards as he only played four Tests (fair enough), but then saw that you picked seven-Test Mike - does that mean you are selecting players on criteria beyond just Test performances, but think Mitchell and Smith were both better batsmen than Barry Richards?
Teja.
Global Moderator
Sean,
I'm not completely black or white on the test performance thing. The general rule I follow is that if I believe players of identical quality then I'll take the batsman with the established test record. Here, Proctor fits better into that No.8 spot than pretty much any SAfrican, test or otherwise so it was a pretty easy call to put him there.
I think B Mitchell is one of the most underrated cricketers ever and he averaged near 50 over two full decades without missing a test against on average, pretty tough opposition. I'd honestly take 3-4 openers across history over him. His name was inked in as opener No. 1 before I began the exercise.
The second opener was the hardest part of the exercise. I was split between playing Taylor, who has considerable opening experience, there and picking a modern gun late in the order (ABDv) or playing B Richards or G. Smith. I wanted my man Taylor to play in position at 4 though and just instinctively went with Graeme Smith, I think he's a very unique batsman who fulfills a role that is not traditionally the role of the opener, leading fourth innings chases and he's the first opener I'd pick in a post-1990 side.
I can't answer if I consider him to be a better batsman than Richards because there's not much I can compare them with. It was pretty much the only spot that confused me. Maybe I just have modern cricket bias.
I'm not completely black or white on the test performance thing. The general rule I follow is that if I believe players of identical quality then I'll take the batsman with the established test record. Here, Proctor fits better into that No.8 spot than pretty much any SAfrican, test or otherwise so it was a pretty easy call to put him there.
I think B Mitchell is one of the most underrated cricketers ever and he averaged near 50 over two full decades without missing a test against on average, pretty tough opposition. I'd honestly take 3-4 openers across history over him. His name was inked in as opener No. 1 before I began the exercise.
The second opener was the hardest part of the exercise. I was split between playing Taylor, who has considerable opening experience, there and picking a modern gun late in the order (ABDv) or playing B Richards or G. Smith. I wanted my man Taylor to play in position at 4 though and just instinctively went with Graeme Smith, I think he's a very unique batsman who fulfills a role that is not traditionally the role of the opener, leading fourth innings chases and he's the first opener I'd pick in a post-1990 side.
I can't answer if I consider him to be a better batsman than Richards because there's not much I can compare them with. It was pretty much the only spot that confused me. Maybe I just have modern cricket bias.
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Teja.
Global Moderator
I'd pick early Pollock over even early Donald under the conditions that they will be bowling first change and they will be bowling with a quality attack for support. Pollock for the first half of his career was a scary good bowler. Donald's definitely a slightly better bowler in certain circumstances but not enough to make up for the advantages of Pollock, IMO.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Ha ha fair enough, I knew that Taylor was a lock for you and I was pretty sure you were a big Mitchell fan too, so I suppose Smith was the only one I was curious about! Personally, I think both Richards and Procter were among the eleven best cricketers ever produced by South Africa, so if I’m simply picking a South African All Time XI I tend to pick both. If, however, it’s an All Time Test XI, their combined Test career of 11 matches means that I pick neither.Sean,
I'm not completely black or white on the test performance thing. The general rule I follow is that if I believe players of identical quality then I'll take the batsman with the established test record. Here, Proctor fits better into that No.8 spot than pretty much any SAfrican, test or otherwise so it was a pretty easy call to put him there.
I think B Mitchell is one of the most underrated cricketers ever and he averaged near 50 over two full decades without missing a test against on average, pretty tough opposition. I'd honestly take 3-4 openers across history over him. His name was inked in as opener No. 1 before I began the exercise.
The second opener was the hardest part of the exercise. I was split between playing Taylor, who has considerable opening experience, there and picking a modern gun late in the order (ABDv) or playing B Richards or G. Smith. I wanted my man Taylor to play in position at 4 though and just instinctively went with Graeme Smith, I think he's a very unique batsman who fulfills a role that is not traditionally the role of the opener, leading fourth innings chases and he's the first opener I'd pick in a post-1990 side.
I can't answer if I consider him to be a better batsman than Richards because there's not much I can compare them with. It was pretty much the only spot that confused me. Maybe I just have modern cricket bias.
In a sense, picking neither is made easier by the fact that they occupy two roles where South Africa is particularly strong otherwise. South Africa has a marvellous pool of great openers to choose from, so excluding Richards still means you’re left with Taylor, Mitchell, Barlow and Smith. Their collection of great all-rounders is arguably even stronger, so choosing from any or all of Faulkner, Goddard, Pollock and Kallis (among others) means that they loss of Procter is less problematic than it could be.