Fixing Scandal!!!!!

[jcas0167]

What is extraordinary in all of this that the ICC still have not interviewed Cairns, when we are talking about an incident from 2008 - in regards to Brendon McCullum's testimony - and a mountain of information from Lou Vincent.

Someone within the ICC clearly feels the same way given the leaks. This has brought things to a head.

 

[straw man]

It's quite possible that the Cairns/Chandigarh Lions leak is part of a much wider investigation into match-fixing in T20, and that only those certain details likely to have the biggest impact in the media have been leaked.

Yes I think that's likely. It at least answers the question of why the ICC isn't coming out with more information on this right now, though it doesn't answer the question on what they did from 2008 to 2012 to address this issue.

Anyone seen anything on whether Daryl Tuffey (who has previously been named as being involved) is giving evidence? Feeling a bit uneasy on that seeing as he played for NZ briefly after returning from the ICL.

 

[Bahnz]

Wow, good point I hadn't even thought of that. Of course it's possible that Tuffey wasn't involved and that's why no further information on him as come to the surface. But given that X appears to have deliberately targeted New Zealand players of a certain vintage, and that Tuffey falls squarely within that vintage, it's hard to believe that he wasn't at least approached at some stage.

 

[straw man]

Well at least we can be confident that if anything damming on Tuffey had been covered in the investigation so far, the media would have heard about it. Perhaps he hasn't been called up yet, I don't know.

Someone posted some Chandigarh Lions squads earlier but I can't find them now. Along with Cairns and Vincent, Tuffey and Hamish Marshall were in the side. Haven't seen anything to suggest Marshall was involved, or the other internationals - Andrew Hall, Imran Farhat, Matthew Elliott and a couple I've forgotten. If you were completely innocent it would be all kinds of crap being in proximity to the large tar brush now in evidence.

 

[Skyliner]

My understanding is that the ICC's statute of limitations is 8 years, and could conclude that after 6 years of effectively no action, the leaking is someone's attempt to get this out in the open and resolved before it runs out.

I also tend to think that powerful forces like the BCCI have more to gain by covering this up since 2008, and have therefore aided Cairns's cause. There is no love for Modi at the BCCI, they tossed him out from heading the IPL, and it would be hugely embarrassing for them if it were proved that Modi was correct all along.

 

[Mike5181]

McCullum reported both approaches in 2008 and was interviewed again in 2011.

 

[Bahnz]

It would depend on which season of the ICL was under scrutiny. Marshall wasn't a part of the Lions squad during the 2008 series, so if the match-fixing allegations relate to that period then maybe Marshall isn't under suspicion. Otherwise you'd have to feel that he is extremely likely to have at least been approached.

 

[straw man]

McCullum reported both approaches in 2008 and was interviewed again in 2011.

So, that puts the blame for the delay firmly in the ICC's court and not McCullum's (and hopefully puts paid to talk that McCullum did something wrong, when it doesn't seem that there's any suggestion at all of that).

Where did you see that info?

 

[Dan]

For one match Vincent was, as usual, expected to score 15 or so off 20 balls and then get out. But, in attempting to get stumped, he accidentally hit the ball for six. "I thought 'what have I done','' Vincent told the ICC.

(Source)

I'm sorry, I know this is an incredibly serious and sensitive issue, but I couldn't help but start laughing at this when I read this.

 

[Bahnz]

Haha, yeah, Vincent should've tried being deliberately being **** sooner, his international career might've lasted longer if he had.

 

[hendrix]

Someone within the ICC clearly feels the same way given the leaks. This has brought things to a head.

yeah that's pretty worrying.

McCullum reported both approaches in 2008 and was interviewed again in 2011.

source?

 

[jonbrooks]

I am pretty gutted to hear about the involvement of NZ cricketers in the match fixing scandal. Even worse is the fact Chris Cairns appears to be involved. Cairns was one of my favourites back in the day.

 

[Bahnz]

I am pretty gutted to hear about the involvement of NZ cricketers in the match fixing scandal. Even worse is the fact Chris Cairns appears to be involved. Cairns was one of my favourites back in the day.

He was undoubtedly New Zealand's finest cricketer from Crowe's retirement in 95 through to Bond's emergence in 2002, and he was a massive hero to the generation of kiwi kids (myself included) who grew up watching him. It's devastating.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Well at least we can be confident that if anything damming on Tuffey had been covered in the investigation so far, the media would have heard about it. Perhaps he hasn't been called up yet, I don't know.

Someone posted some Chandigarh Lions squads earlier but I can't find them now. Along with Cairns and Vincent, Tuffey and Hamish Marshall were in the side. Haven't seen anything to suggest Marshall was involved, or the other internationals - Andrew Hall, Imran Farhat, Matthew Elliott and a couple I've forgotten. If you were completely innocent it would be all kinds of crap being in proximity to the large tar brush now in evidence.

One of the years Elliott got injured and was sent home by the "team hierarchy" early, even though he was to be right later in the tournament.

Then, a former English player was brought over and took his contract, on the recommendation of Player X.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

Anyone seen anything on whether Daryl Tuffey (who has previously been named as being involved) is giving evidence? Feeling a bit uneasy on that seeing as he played for NZ briefly after returning from the ICL.

Feeling a bit uneasy on that seeing as he once bowled a 14-ball over for the BCs

 

[straw man]

One of the years Elliott got injured and was sent home by the "team hierarchy" early, even though he was to be right later in the tournament.

Then, a former English player was brought over and took his contract, on the recommendation of Player X.

Good memory, though how do you know Hick was brought over on Cairns' recommendation?

Fairly interesting timing as per the following article from 2008
Grame Hick joins ICL, will play for Chandigarh Lions - News Oneindia

However, Hick's inclusion has a shot in the arm for the Lions team as they are already a depleted side due to the suspension of their regular captain former New Zealand all-rounder Chris Cairns and former India batsman Dinesh Mongia due to their alleged involvement in the match fixing.

 

[Skyliner]

Good memory, though how do you know Hick was brought over on Cairns' recommendation?

Fairly interesting timing as per the following article from 2008
Grame Hick joins ICL, will play for Chandigarh Lions - News Oneindia

Why didn't Cairns sue News Oneindia in 2008????

 

[Skyliner]

Now Elly Riley's sworn testimony to the ICC has been leaked...this is just getting worse and worse for Cairns.

 

[Kippax]

Modi ran out of characters to include alleged in his tweet.

 

[marc71178]

What is extraordinary in all of this that the ICC still have not interviewed Cairns, when we are talking about an incident from 2008 - in regards to Brendon McCullum's testimony - and a mountain of information from Lou Vincent.

IIRC, wasn't the ICL outlawed by the ICC and players who took part got bans from ICC-regulated competition?

If so, I don't see how the ICC could have jurisdiction over events that happened in it?