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It is a good result tbf, whether they go through or not here doesn't change that.

I don't see why Chelsea are getting all the hate here really because as is beginning to be noted Atletico are very similar stylistically as well. Sure I can understand why you'd still rather see them go through for a number of reasons but their football isn't very good to watch, even in La Liga.
Atletico aren't always the worst to watch. They play a really intense pressing game sometimes, like for that great 2-2 with Real.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It is a good result tbf, whether they go through or not here doesn't change that.

I don't see why Chelsea are getting all the hate here really because as is beginning to be noted Atletico are very similar stylistically as well. Sure I can understand why you'd still rather see them go through for a number of reasons but their football isn't very good to watch, even in La Liga.
It is Chelsea, you should never need to ask this question
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
Not getting an away goal is pretty much like losing by a one goal margin in the first leg. In both cases you'd need to win outright at home. Would people credit a manager for going away and getting a 2-1 loss?
Well you'd hope not but I've heard it before.

I'm not denying that obviously an away goal is very nice indeed, I just hate the fact that it is seen as the priority above all else. No it isn't, because you can score an away goal and still be in a worse position than if you didn't score one. There is no scenario whereby losing 2-1 > 0-0.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Not getting an away goal is pretty much like losing by a one goal margin in the first leg. In both cases you'd need to win outright at home. Would people credit a manager for going away and getting a 2-1 loss?
If you're in the CL and have serious aspirations of progressing you should be looking to win all of your home matches outright regardless.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, it's not a good result for me, it's why the Away-goals rule is horribly flawed, because Home Teams are pleased to take it, any score-draw and it's their's in the next leg.

I think others, including myself, have mentioned that Atletico are dull too. Yet they do it on a limited resource. I don't watch them much. They don't have Cashley and cap'n racist playing for them. I don't have to listen to the ****ing constant syphillitic dysentry coming from their managers mouth like I do with Mourinho, and then get to hear him called a tactical genius for playing the same tactics as Palace and West Ham do away from home
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I think it's just stereotyping by now. Reminds me of when Chelsea went to the Etihad and everyone was joking about bus parking etc, and took about half an hour to realise Chelsea were actually playing really nice football.
One match, since then I've seen their performance in Madrid and Liverpool. anti-football bollox.
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
It is Chelsea, you should never need to ask this question
Haha yeah I do agree really. I dislike them obviously, but I do think the stuff about how negative they are is beginning to get overplayed, or rather how negative they are relative to some other clubs is beginning to get overplayed.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Atletico aren't always the worst to watch. They play a really intense pressing game sometimes, like for that great 2-2 with Real.
Opening half an hour in their 1-0 against Barca in the quarters was incredible. Genuinely could've scored 3 or 4 in the opening 20 minutes.
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
Atletico aren't always the worst to watch. They play a really intense pressing game sometimes, like for that great 2-2 with Real.
Fair enough as I didn't see the Barcelona game. The 2-2 with Real though struck me as entertaining more because of Real. I find Atletico when they play some of the lower sides in La Liga who aren't going to attack them and leave space at the back, tend to be quite dull to watch, and tend to nick a lot of dull 1-0 or 2-0 wins, which strikes me as being very Chelsea like. Maybe it's just the sample of games I've watched.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
EDIT: Also how does going 1-0 up change nothing? What? Going 1-0 up puts you ahead as opposed to being level?
Because with a 0-0 first leg, Atleti need to score one goal to progress. Chelsea scoring first didn't actually affect what Atleti needed to do to progress, their goal was irrelevant.
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
Because with a 0-0 first leg, Atleti need to score one goal to progress. Chelsea scoring first didn't actually affect what Atleti needed to do to progress, their goal was irrelevant.
If the game is drawn 0-0 after ninety minutes Atletico can still progress (in fact they may still be favourites given if they score in extra time Chelsea would have needed two in thirty minutes, and obviously even if they don't score they can just go through on penalties). They can't progress if it finishes 1-0 after ninety minutes.
 
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grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well it's turned into a fun tie, who'd have thunk?

Great sub by the master-tactician too, bringing on eto for the in-form Ba, has made a big difference:ph34r:
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
If the game is drawn 0-0 after ninety minutes Atletico can still progress (in fact they may still be favourites given if they score in extra time Chelsea would have needed two in thirty minutes, and obviously even if they don't score they can just go through on penalties). They can't progress if it finishes 1-0 after ninety minutes.
The psychology of the game doesn't change though. Atleti know that they are through if they score one goal, regardless of whether the game is 0-0 or Chelsea lead by 1 goal.
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
The psychology of the game doesn't change though. Atleti know that they are through if they score one goal, regardless of whether the game is 0-0 or Chelsea lead by 1 goal.
That's irrelevant to the result. Take us in 2008 vs Barcelona. Got a 0-0 away from home, Scholes scores early at OT and we went through 1-0. Without Scholes' goal we would have faced extra time, penalties, and probably a roughly 50% chance of going out. Sure, if Barcelona had scored they'd have gone through so effectively you might as well consider it a half a goal lead, but that's better than no lead at all. Going 1-0 up clearly changes things and I'm amazed you're denying it.
 

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