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Does a ''real'' cricket fan have to hate LOI and/or consider them irrelevant?

Jassy

Banned
Ignoring the condescending tone of a post and all the variance theories and what not, I think we should keep it simple. Cricket is complicated enough as it is without as making it even more complicated.

I don't really think the difference between the best and the worst players means much. The difference between Bangladesh's best and worst player might be the same as the difference between Australia's best and worst player, that doesn't mean Bangladesh = Australia. Or maybe I'm missing the point, maybe Prince EWS can help here.

The basic factor for me really is that in a test you have to maintain your standard and intensity for that much longer; in a T20 you 'only' have to maintain it for 20+20 overs. It is why the likelihood of an upset is more in a T20 than in the 5 day game. That, for me, is the clincher as to which format is easier. The longer it is the harder it is - you could extend the same logic for why a player averaging 50 over 50 tests is better than a player averaging 50 over 10 tests(all other things remaining constant)

However, what I'd like to add is that (and I already touched upon this in an earlier post), it would be too simplistic to say T20 blokes can't perform in the whites. You could make a fair case that more test players succeed in T20 than vice-versa, but T20 has definitely influenced the way test (and ODI) cricket is played. I am dead certain that a player like Maxwell if given a fair go will come up with at least a handful of match defining/turning knocks even in the whites. It has become a fashion to label and chastise Suresh Raina for instance and put him down at every opportunity; but in reality this is the same bloke who scored a ton on test debut and in his first match outside the subcontinent he even managed a 70-80 odd against what was then a very good English attack. Sure he's more suited to the shorter formats but he's not just a 'hack'.

As regards which shots are more difficult to play, it really depends on the player. As rightly pointed out, a Dravid may find the midwicket mow harder to play than Raina; but as a rule of the thumb, slogging is generally easier than 'proper' cricket shots. It is why a Dravid is more likely to give you a 60(40) in a T20 than Raina is to give you a 150 against Donald and Pollock in Jo'berg.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
By what metric is anyone supposed to assess what a "real" fan is? And is there actually any value in answering this question?
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Ignoring the condescending tone of a post
This is either aimed at me or Teja and I am not sure which one of us. On behalf of both of us - after you have made many posts on CW you tend to try to be more and more forthright and colourful in your posts to create an effect and generate the most conversation in response. The worst posts are ones which sit on the fence and are too careful to pay respects to all concerned. There was no intent to be condescending in either post. Cheers.
 

Jassy

Banned
This is either aimed at me or Teja and I am not sure which one of us. On behalf of both of us - after you have made many posts on CW you tend to try to be more and more forthright and colourful in your posts to create an effect and generate the most conversation in response. The worst posts are ones which sit on the fence and are too careful to pay respects to all concerned. There was no intent to be condescending in either post. Cheers.
Was not aimed at you.

Generating the most conversation is all well and good as long as it is meaningful and constructive. I would rather posts which sit on the fence than outrageously arrogant ones that claim only their view is right and every other view is wrong. That kind of attitude kills all discussions. Anyway, not really keen on flogging a dead horse as the incident in question happened days ago. Cheers,
 

BeeGee

International Captain
T20s is like porn, Test cricket is like Theatre.
T20 is like flipping through a lingerie catalog.

Test cricket is like performing King Lear with Scarlett Johansson and Mila Kunis. And you're all naked. And having ***.
 
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Muloghonto

U19 12th Man
T20 is like flipping through a lingerie catalog.

Test cricket is like performing King Lear with Scarlett Johansson and Mila Kunis. And you're all naked. And having ***.
a better analogy would be, test cricket is like performing paradise lost, T20 would be like performing Anton Chekov. The quality is not the issue here, the issue is the time.

Test cricket is not superior in terms of skills in every which way, there are certain skills that T20/ODIs are more developed in than test cricket.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Also, this isn't a moderating directive whatsoever, but please guys, can we stop with all of the ****ty analogies. Argument-by-analogy is flawed at the best of times, let alone when people start referencing porn.

Actually, make this a moderating directive. I'd personally prefer it if I never had to read an analogy in this thread again, but if you do feel the need to spite me, please don't make it about porn. Family forum and all.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
I get the feeling if I ever had to suffer his commentary, I'd start laughing at him for the first 5 minutes, then absolutely hate him and mute the TV. Sorta like Danny Morrison, who I'll only listen to for games involving Hong Kong.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
This might be surprising from someone many here might consider a Test/FC cricket snob, but I actually do disagree with that. It's doesn't require more skill; it just requires different skills - skills that are more admirable perhaps, and skills that are more applicable to the traditional ethos of cricket definitely, but not necessarily more.

The difference between the best and worst players in Test cricket is not really any bigger than the difference between the best and worst players in international T20 cricket for mine, indicating the amount of skill required is pretty similar. Some of the world's best Test players are terrible T20 players for no lack of trying to improve their games; it's just a matter of different demands for different games.
I don't completely agree with this. While some of the best test players took a couple of seasons to figure t20 out, I can't think of any quality test batsman who's poor at t20. Same for bowlers really.

Dravid, Kallis et al were crap initially but they became pretty good t20 players. We're also seeing Trent Boult start to figure limited overs cricket out too. Steyn as well. Plenty more players on that list.
 

Daemon

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I don't completely agree with this. While some of the best test players took a couple of seasons to figure t20 out, I can't think of any quality test batsman who's poor at t20. Same for bowlers really.

Dravid, Kallis et al were crap initially but they became pretty good t20 players. We're also seeing Trent Boult start to figure limited overs cricket out too. Steyn as well. Plenty more players on that list.
They were nowhere near as successful in the format as they were in Tests though.
 

the big bambino

International Captain
Well at the risk of garnering a general warning, I'd make the analogy that if individual players can be rated on their longevity, a format can also be rated superior if it requires skills to be sustained over a longer period to effect a win.
 

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