Chuckers

[Migara]

If that elbow quote isn't a misprint then it's a joke that he's allowed to bowl.

Everybody except Sarwan uses their elbows. The question is to which degree they are using it.

 

[Daemon]

Everybody except Sarwan uses their elbows. The question is to which degree they are using it.

That's not the point. It's the fact that he's essentially saying you can push the limits if you you decide to wear full sleeves.

 

[hendrix]

That's not the point. It's the fact that he's essentially saying you can push the limits if you you decide to wear full sleeves.

yes, this was the point which Cullinan was at pains to point out and Crowe just didn't pick it up.

 

[turnstyle]

Michael Clarke bats in short sleeve, bowls in long

 

[OverratedSanity]

Love that Ashwin's done this , really. His action is far from Sarwan-esque but the fact that he's just gone out and bluntly stated that these sleeves help get some elbow into the deliveries will probably bring some action or atleast some attention from the officials. Quite ridiculous that the usual suspects keep getting away with it

 

[karan316]

What Ashwin was trying to say was that if using the elbow helps, he would want to do it(he tried, it didn't work for him), but he never said that he would use it more than the laws permit. 15 degree is "a lot", if a bowler will try to use the elbow in the given rules there's no harm in it. I personally quite dislike the idea of using long sleeves and taking advantage of the rules, but if a bowler is using his elbow to an extent(within the rules) than people will still raise eyebrows since anything more than 10 degrees would look quite bad, that is one of the main reasons for the long sleeves being used. Some say doosra can't be bowled legally, Saqlain looked fine and so did Murali, it didn't look that bad in their case. However, m always confused about Ajmal, that being said the ICC has cleared him so no point in arguing. The best thing would be if there's some gadget which a bowler can wear(on his arm) while bowling in live matches, it'll definitely help in judging better. And also, some of the guys who just try to criticize quality spinners out of jealousy will no longer be able to object since it'll give a clear answer about the legality of a bowling action.

 

[Jono]

What Ashwin was trying to say was that if using the elbow helps, he would want to do it(he tried, it didn't work for him), but he never said that he would use it more than the laws permit. 15 degree is "a lot", if a bowler will try to use the elbow in the given rules there's no harm in it. I personally quite dislike the idea of using long sleeves and taking advantage of the rules, but if a bowler is using his elbow to an extent(within the rules) than people will still raise eyebrows since anything more than 10 degrees would look quite bad, that is one of the main reasons for the long sleeves being used. Some say doosra can't be bowled legally, Saqlain looked fine and so did Murali, it didn't look that bad in their case. However, m always confused about Ajmal, that being said the ICC has cleared him so no point in arguing. The best thing would be if there's some gadget which a bowler can wear(on his arm) while bowling in live matches, it'll definitely help in judging better. And also, some of the guys who just try to criticize quality spinners out of jealousy will no longer be able to object since it'll give a clear answer about the legality of a bowling action.

Nah make no mistake, this is almost surely Ashwin being cunning to bring attention to Ajmal and Narine. Why else go to the media and talk about long sleeves for other than to do just that?

 

[karan316]

Nah make no mistake, this is almost surely Ashwin being cunning to bring attention to Ajmal and Narine. Why else go to the media and talk about long sleeves for other than to do just that?

But then it would also mean that he himself used long sleeves to chuck which would be a huge problem for him. He's being misunderstood here, don't think he really meant that bowlers are using long sleeves for bowling with illegal actions.

 

[Daemon]

Nah make no mistake, this is almost surely Ashwin being cunning to bring attention to Ajmal and Narine. Why else go to the media and talk about long sleeves for other than to do just that?

The only other plausible scenario I think is if the reporter phrased his/her questions in such a way that put Ashwin in a spot (asking him why he's wearing long sleeves might do that) and then it somehow or the other lead to Ashwin defend his wearing of long sleeves. He might've just brought out the whole 'they do it so why can't I' argument just to defend himself against some uncomfortable questions.

The media love quoting just bits and pieces of interviews and fitting them into their agenda, it's hard for the public to know the whole context behind Ashwin's statements.

 

[Riggins]

But then it would also mean that he himself used long sleeves to chuck which would be a huge problem for him. He's being misunderstood here, don't think he really meant that bowlers are using long sleeves for bowling with illegal actions.

but he doesn't bowl in long sleeves or chuck, which is his point.

 

[karan316]

but he doesn't bowl in long sleeves or chuck, which is his point.

But he himself tried it for a match, if his comments meant that guys use long sleeves to bend their elbows and chuck, than it would also mean that he himself was chucking in that particular match.

 

[Riggins]

You're right, he is a cheat. I take back my previous pro-Indian cricketer comment.

 

[karan316]

You're right, he is a cheat. I take back my previous pro-Indian cricketer comment.

Obviously not, his comments are misunderstood. He wouldn't say something that would indirectly mean that he himself cheated. And he anyways didn't, just a normal comment being blown out of proportion.

 

[Prince EWS]

But he himself tried it for a match, if his comments meant that guys use long sleeves to bend their elbows and chuck, than it would also mean that he himself was chucking in that particular match.

The chucking laws are such that you can basically get away with just chucking for one match and then never doing it again though. He's changed his action back; they're hardly going to send him to Perth and demand he bowl with an action he doesn't use anymore to find out whether or not they need to ban him from doing something he's unlikely to do anyway.

Good example of how much of a farce it is really.

 

[Furball]

There must be some way it can be measured. The current chucking laws are an absolute nonsense as it is.

 

[BeeGee]

All this scientific testing yet Kyle Mills' chucking seems to have gone unnoticed for 10 years?

Am I the only person who thinks he chucks?

He just needs to start bowling in long sleeves.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

He just needs to start bowling in long sleeves.

We don't need him bowling even slower than he does already

 

[Julian87]

I'm glad more people have come out and talked about who bowls in long sleeves. It really is no coincidence.

 

[karan316]

This certainly is being blown out of proportion for no reason. Really, if the ICC clears a bowler, people should accept and move on. Firstly, there might be a few parameters about how the ICC tests the bowling actions, they wouldn't just allow him to bowl straight deliveries with a normal action and leave. Just recently Shillingford's doosra was banned, obviously it isn't that easy to get away if you are really chucking.

 

[OverratedSanity]

This certainly is being blown out of proportion for no reason. Really, if the ICC clears a bowler, people should accept and move on. Firstly, there might be a few parameters about how the ICC tests the bowling actions, they wouldn't just allow him to bowl straight deliveries with a normal action and leave. Just recently Shillingford's doosra was banned, obviously it isn't that easy to get away if you are really chucking.

Nah all this "if he's cleared, move on and never dare question him again" is complete rubbish if you ask me. Lots of bowlers who've been cleared once have been tested a second or even third time. Getting cleared by the ICC is not a wonder cure which can completely erase future transgressions too. If a bowler is suspected of throwing and reported again even after being cleared, test him again.

Many a time chucking can become a recurring problem for a bowler. Just because he manages to clean up his action or if his action is clean at a particular time in his career, it doesn't mean he won't ever chuck again. It might seem to people that reporting bowlers time and again after being cleared is just selective targeting or something which causes the player involved a lot of frustration and annoyance. But not being 100% sure of the legality of an action and letting potential chucking go unpunished and worse, uninvestigated is the far greater injustice