**Official** England in the West Indies 2013-14

[flibbertyjibber]

Well done Jade. AGAIN

 

[Jono]

Dernbach is ****ing ****. Just felt the need to say it again.

 

[Jono]

Sammy wag.

Should have dropped the catches and ensured he didn't come in.

 

[theegyptian]

Bresnan awful as nearly always gets away scot-free. I'm sure he'll make every squad going for the next few years.

 

[Prince EWS]

I really don't think Dernbach is as awful a bowler as he's made out to be, but gee he loses a lot of games and gets some terrible figures.

Well I don't know what your definition of awful bowler is, but...

 

[Furball]

I really don't think Dernbach is as awful a bowler as he's made out to be, but gee he loses a lot of games and gets some terrible figures.

He's actually pretty skilled, he just plays like he's had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a lettuce. Constantly bowls the wrong delivery at the wrong time.

 

[YorksLanka]

its that man Sammy again..still at least he got rid of that god awful "dummy" celebration.. another series loss for gilo...

 

[hendrix]

Well I don't know what your definition of awful bowler is, but...

He's actually pretty skilled, he just plays like he's had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a lettuce. Constantly bowls the wrong delivery at the wrong time.

This is what I mean.

Watching him bowl, he's 140+, has a decent yorker, (too many) slower balls and sometimes gets some movement off the pitch.

He's just an idiot.

 

[Cabinet96]

He has one slower ball. He just bowls it twenty times.

 

[Jono]

He answered "gut feel" as to when he bowls his variations.

Stop listening to that gut buddy. You're the worst consistently picked LO cricketer in the world.

 

[Hooksey]

Poor old Poms can't take a trick. Hard to see where there next win will come from?

 

[Furball]

He answered "gut feel" as to when he bowls his variations.

Stop listening to that gut buddy. You're the worst consistently picked LO cricketer in the world.

Scathing.

 

[Dan]

This is what I mean.

Watching him bowl, he's 140+, has a decent yorker, (too many) slower balls and sometimes gets some movement off the pitch.

He's just an idiot.

Haha yeah, same criticism I've always levelled at Tino Best. No technical reason why he shouldn't be passable at least, but the utter lack of brain means they're both impossibly rubbish.

"It's like he's had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a lettuce" may become my new go-to insult, tbh.

 

[CricAddict]

Haha yeah, same criticism I've always levelled at Tino Best. No technical reason why he shouldn't be passable at least, but the utter lack of brain means they're both impossibly rubbish.

"It's like he's had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a lettuce" may become my new go-to insult, tbh.

Tino Best, Dernbach, Ishant Sharma - 3 fast bowlers without the brains..

 

[wpdavid]

It wasn't a good performance but that is what you get from average teams- and that's what the current England team is.

Hales, Lumb and Wright are all reverting to the mean. They outperformed their skill level for a while but now teams have seen a bit more of them they are looking average.

The bowling Broad aside who is knackered is poor. I suggested Stokes should have been rested a while ago for either the aus t20's or the wi 50 over games but they've kept him going and he looks mentally demolished. He's been moved all round the batting order and bowling lineups and he seems to have no idea what he is doing right now.

The other issue I wanted to bring up was the lack of alternative spinners in county cricket. Where are the Badrees? He's not a great cricketer but he turns the ball both ways(or straight on and a googly), bowls quickly through the air and is tough to get away. The amount of one day cricket in the english game where spinners(who don't play or bowl in 4 day cricket) are used to fill the overs means there really should be more good one day bowlers. 18 counties and there isn't one mystery spinner or even really a regular leg break bowler who plays one day cricket.( Rashid did well for one year or so, Borthwick doesn;t bowl much, Beer is probably the only guy who bowls a lot of overs) There needs to be a bit more unorthodoxy in the coaching and one day cricket to keep up with other nations. None of the batsmen in the county game get to face a guy turning it in two directions.

I can see why in 4 day cricket some spinners don't come through. A lot of cricket is played in the first couple of months where conditions are very much in favour of the fast bowlers. Even later in the season wickets are left with lots of grass on them and there is rarely much need for a spinner. But in the 40 over and 20 over games the wickets tend to be left with grass off them and are quite worn + a lot of fast bowlers are generally rested. There are plenty of opportunities for spinners but we don't seem to produce anything other than the standard offspinner who doesn't spin the ball much and has no variation.

Imo there is no reason why someone like Badree shouldn't coming through the english game if they aren't a little more flexible. There are plenty of opportunities, plenty of games and favourable conditions. He isn't a brilliant cricketer but he is good at what he does.

The only thing stopping them coming through is the lack of history on non conventional spinners in recent times and until someone comes through bowling a little differently to county or international cricket counties are probably going to overlook the different spin bowler. Once there are a couple, you get more and better bats in turn. And once there are 5 or 6 you might get the special one like Narine. For all that I complain about too much cricket and too many counties this also gives opportunities to players who might not have got them in say Australia or South Africa, and the conditions especially in one day cricket are much more favourable to spinners here than in Aus,SA and NZ.

It won't happen until the whole attitude towards spin changes in England. Look out for the howls of anguish if one of the counties has the temerity to produce a track that takes any spin before Day 4. We just don't trust it in this country, so bowlers aren't encouraged as they should be and batters haven't a clue.

 

[theegyptian]

One thing I've forgot to say is that the English crowds for this have been incredible. For what is a pretty pointless series the last game seemed to be close to a sellout and half the crowd looked English.

England quickly becoming one of the worst teams but damn sure they have the best travelling support.

 

[Furball]

One thing I've forgot to say is that the English crowds for this have been incredible. For what is a pretty pointless series the last game seemed to be close to a sellout and half the crowd looked English.

England quickly becoming one of the worst teams but damn sure they have the best travelling support.

Spending a couple of weeks in Barbados to watch some cricket not exactly a hardship tbf.

 

[Adders]

Spending a couple of weeks in Barbados to watch some cricket not exactly a hardship tbf.

No I'm sure it's not.......which begs the question why don't other touring teams generate the same level of support??

So it is hard to argue with gyptians comment itbt.

 

[Jono]

England have always had the best travelling support, can't remember a time when they didn't - whether the team is good or bad.

 

[hendrix]

No I'm sure it's not.......which begs the question why don't other touring teams generate the same level of support??

..because they don't need to escape from a ****hole.

Nah, they're just not as wealthy.