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**Official** New Zealand Domestic Season 2013/2014

hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Blocky said:
Kind of like HBHS in Ham, which is "public" if you live in the catchment zones, but has a large private contingent of students and receives a crap tonne of funding from it's old boys network. Hence being able to afford Kugglejuggle's father as a coach for so many seasons and pay talent like Brooke Hatwell and Anton Devcich to play for their school side.
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There's also school like Auckland Grammar. I'd imagine Otago Boys and some of the Christchurch rugby schools are a fair bit like that too.

Massive sense of entitlement, no doubt about it.
 
Blocky

Blocky

Banned
It makes me laugh because a lot of times they’re missing the raw talent that actually exists in the country. If you only do a two day trial/boot camp and you’re looking at someone who had a first class cricketer coaching their batting and bowling technique, of course they’re going to show up as seemingly “better” players.

It’s the same with bowling, at youth level, we’re saying “Ooh, look at this guy, he puts 6 out of 6 on the sticks” rather than “Ooh, look at this guy, he swings the ball like a boomerang and bowls too quick for kids his age” – because the guy who swings the ball like a boomerang has had no coaching and doesn’t know how to work control into his game.

And that entitlement exists in so many first eleven cricketers coming out of school, not getting selected for the prem team of the club they go to and either giving up cricket or going to another club. I used to see that all the time – “I refuse to play reserves!”
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
hendrix said:
lol. My parents are sorta hippies and probably would've disowned me if I went to Coll. This despite them sending me to private intermediate school, from which 95% of my classmates went there.
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Haha, they wouldn't have any need to worry, when I was there Coll was crawling with young chardonnay socialists, though I have a feeling that a lot othem would've jumped ship to National the moment they picked up their first pay check.
 
A

African Monkey

U19 Vice-Captain
Blocky said:
And that entitlement exists in so many first eleven cricketers coming out of school, not getting selected for the prem team of the club they go to and either giving up cricket or going to another club. I used to see that all the time – “I refuse to play reserves!”
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Yup couldn't agree more with that point. It's even worse in rugby.
 
Blocky

Blocky

Banned
African Monkey said:
Yup couldn't agree more with that point. It's even worse in rugby.
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It used to be part of my induction process for new young punks coming to the club I was playing for - I've hit more than my fair share of age group superstars flush on the helmet within the first few balls I bowl at them. I always laugh, because they look up at you with a smile on their face as if you're going to give them some quarter in their first couple of practices with you.
 
Meridio

Meridio

International Regular
Hmm, interesting discussion here that I've largely missed due to time zone differences. To add my two cents - quite frankly, I find young cricketers to be some of the most odious little ****s around. Obviously, there are exceptions, but generally the arrogance, sense of entitlement and overall twattish demeanour really grates with me. Re. Harry Boam, I didn't actually find him that bad - sense of entitlement, yes, but a bit more quietly spoken and thoughtful than most of his ilk. I got the feeling that he didn't particularly fit in with the 'culture' around Wellington cricket, and eventually got fed up and chucked it in. Cricket's a bastard of a game at the best of times, and when you're spending all day hanging around a bunch of people you don't really fit in with it's not a recipe for success.

Anyway, good to see Tom Blundell make another century. I rate his batting ftr, he's a bit different to your typical NZ batsman in that he moves his feet well. Very quick to come down the pitch to the spinners, and plays well off the back foot too (strong on the pull shot in particular IIRC). I do wonder though how much of any influence Siddons will have on that methodology, given it's pretty much the polar opposite of what he coaches.
 
S

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Blocky said:
I know very well what domestic cricketers make - but you can easily supplement that income and a lot of businesses are more than happy to help out. The problem with Boam (as a lot of people confirmed to me when I asked around why a guy that had a first class average of 35, coming off his best season for Wellington had quit) was that he was an arrogant little **** who believed he was better than everyone else, a view not assisted by getting a contract to play cricket at such a young age.

Unlike Siddons who grew up in Australia where you had to battle to make the squad, let alone the team, he just didn't have it in him to fight when he wasn't being gifted **** anymore. That's the problem with a lot of private school cricketers, they get it much easier and aren't used to "not being good enough" and working harder to be better.
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This is just flat out wrong, sorry. Easily supplement a domestic income? That's not ever been my experience. The guys who have come into the system at 18-19-20 don't have a lot of work experience, any letters behind their name and the 'you've got to have experience to get experience' scenario bites them as they're not a proposition that a lot of businesses want to take on. The NZ CPA are doing a very fine job but the reality is, for guys who have families/don't want to travel to the UK in winter, it's hard to supplement as winter isn't a seasonal peak for many businesses, especially when the contracting/training window (plus A Tours etc if selected) is stretching further and making guys a real steer-clear for part-time employment.

Granted, more guys are able to make a living of it now than they were 10-15-20 years ago but no one can blame a Harry Boam for doing what he did, or at least they shouldn't. He is a very intelligent, gifted guy away from cricket and simply made a decision to go down that avenue as opposed to punching away for 5 more years and being that amount of time behind in a career, with potentially nothing cricket-wise to show for it. It's got jack all to do with what school he went to.
 
Hurricane

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Hurricane said:
yuss I have dreamed about those threads coming back.
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who's that Randal character. If he didn't bend his elbow I would say he had the best action next to Tim's.

Van Beek's and Tugagas ok as well. Didn't care for Small's

Tim's is the standout however.
 
Kippax

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
Nah but he'll be another member of the Andre Adams 125kph posse. Matt Quinn might drop off the roster.
 
Kippax

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
BRETT RANDELL, EDEN ROSKILL

Name: Brett Randell
Age: 18
Club: Eden Roskill
Bowling: Right arm fast-medium
Batting: Right-handed batsman

Brett Randell is a name to remember for cricket followers in Auckland.

The young Eden Roskill fast bowler is a member of the Aces wider squad, has represented Auckland at age group levels and has recently returned from a New Zealand U19 training camp in Lincoln where the players were put through a very intensive training programme.

"It was really tough and we had to bowl a substantial amount of overs on five of the six days whilst mixing in fitness and fielding,'' said Randell. ''I was very sore at the end of it but it was a fantastic learning experience for me."

On his return to Auckland Randell displayed his pedigree for his club side as he claimed the impressive figures of 4/19 against Waitakere City: "I was pretty happy with it. I got injured at the start of the year and that was only my second game in the last eight months.

"It's been a long eight months, but I have worked very hard rehabbing with Ant Sharp the Aces strength and conditioning coach, and the number one goal now is to stay injury free and help Roskill get some victories."

Eden Roskill have seen some significant changes in personnel over the off-season but Randell believes the club is now poised to move up the premier cricket ranks: "The last few seasons our results haven't been as we would have liked and we want to turn that around.

"We are a young side for premier cricket but we have a good group of guys who are beginning to prove themselves at this level, and having two reserves sides means we always have players pushing for places."

Randell joined the club at five years of age and has remained there whilst representing MAGS at school level. Eight years ago the 18-year-old met former Aces quick, and now current Roskill coach, Azhar Abbas who took Randell under his wing: "He has been very beneficial and set me on the path to where I am now.

"Along the way I have been lucky to have expert coaches from school level through to guys like Matt Horne at the Aces wider squad trainings, but it was Azhar that began it all."

With an under 19 World Cup on the horizon Randell is hoping some big performances for his club and provincial sides can help book his seat on the plane to the UAE: "Whilst remaining injury free is the first key my next focus is definitely on the World Cup. Taking wickets for Roskill and Auckland U19s will be a good start to hopefully getting selected."

When not training Randell can usually be found studying having begun his first year of a sport and recreation degree at AUT: "I am majoring in sport science and coaching so hopefully I can give back to the game when I am not playing.

"In the meantime I am hoping to move through the ranks and play for the A's and then the Aces - and hopefully the Blackcaps someday as well."
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Yeah there are the NZ U19 stats -

Cricket Records | ICC Under-19 World Cup, 2013/14 - New Zealand Under-19s | Records | Batting and bowling averages | ESPN Cricinfo
 
Kippax

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah I'd say he can. I can't remember Southee and Boult's speeds but I know Wheeler was about 125 in 2010.
 
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