*Official* English Football Season 2013-14

[Cabinet96]

Big match bottle of a decision that. Arteta got sent off at Palace when he was fowled wide on the halfway line in October.

 

[Uppercut]

Nastasic 100% should've walked for mine.

 

[sledger]

Big match bottle of a decision that. Arteta got sent off at Palace when he was fowled wide on the halfway line in October.

Tbf I think this might be a case of two wrongs not making a right. In the interests of consistency Nastasic should have gone. Not convinced either this incident or the Arteta one should have been red though.

 

[Cabinet96]

Definition of a professional foul to prevent a goal. Can't believe more people don't complain about it in the Prem.

 

[sledger]

Well, can't begrudge Chelsea that. City very ordinary this eve.

 

[GIMH]

Never a clear goal scoring opportunity.

 

[Pothas]

Chelsea were brilliant, really can't stand them.

Matic was superb, him and Luiz look so much better than Mikel and Lampard.

 

[Uppercut]

Definition of a professional foul to prevent a goal. Can't believe more people don't complain about it in the Prem.

Yeah it's not like a mis-timed challenge, he's pulled him back to stop him running clear on goal. Exactly what the rule is there for imo.

Immense from Chelsea. Performance of the season so far.

 

[sledger]

Chelsea were brilliant, really can't stand them.

Matic was superb, him and Luiz look so much better than Mikel and Lampard.

Yeah, their area of the pitch was where the game was won as well for mine. Demichelis was a huge problem for City, slow and ponderous both with and without possession. He might be a serviceable centre back, but he was well out of his depth here. His inability to get back in front of the defence meant that Chelsea just had loads of space to exploit whenever they got the ball, and the fact that he's very limited in possession meant that when City had the ball they couldn't get it forward incisively enough.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah it's not like a mis-timed challenge, he's pulled him back to stop him running clear on goal. Exactly what the rule is there for imo.

Immense from Chelsea. Performance of the season so far.

Rule is there for players who are clearly in a position where they are poised to score. Referee guidelines state the further away from goal it wider the angle, the less clear the opportunity. Shouldn't walk if it's on the halfway line, especially when the player is not ahead with the ball. Dean gets a lot wrong but he got that right.

 

[Uppercut]

Rule is there for players who are clearly in a position where they are poised to score. Referee guidelines state the further away from goal it wider the angle, the less clear the opportunity. Shouldn't walk if it's on the halfway line, especially when the player is not ahead with the ball. Dean gets a lot wrong but he got that right.

Yeah, agree to disagree. For me that's like saying the Torres goal vs. Barcelona wasn't a clear goalscoring opportunity until he got near the penalty box. If you have the pace, having half the pitch to run into in that scenario makes the finish easier than if you start in the middle of the opposition half.

 

[sledger]

Yeah it's not like a mis-timed challenge, he's pulled him back to stop him running clear on goal. Exactly what the rule is there for imo.

Immense from Chelsea. Performance of the season so far.

It's difficult to see how a foul on the half-way line can ever be denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity imo, professional or not.

I think the rules ought to be changed so that when the last man does something like this he's shown a red card, but with the rule worded as it is at the moment, I think it'd be wrong to have sent Nastasic off.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, agree to disagree. For me that's like saying the Torres goal vs. Barcelona wasn't a clear goalscoring opportunity until he got near the penalty box. If you have the pace, having half the pitch to run into in that scenario makes the finish easier than if you start in the middle of the opposition half.

Well you can't make a rule based around how much pace a player has can you? If goal scoring opportunity is defined by who the player with the ball is then nobody would ever get sent off for it against us unless they took Ryan Lowe down

Facetiousness aside, though. I can't understand how you could want to see a red given for that and yet wouldn't when it's in the box?

 

[GIMH]

Aw ****, I think sledger's right

 

[Tom Halsey]

Facetiousness aside, though. I can't understand how you could want to see a red given for that and yet wouldn't when it's in the box?

Can see both sides of the wider debate but I agree with Uppercut on the red in the box thing. Deny a clear goalscoring opportunity in the box and they get a clear goalscoring opportunity anyway, so what you've done is actually not deny a clear goalscoring opportunity at all. Deny a clear goalscoring opportunity on the half way line (the Torres example vs Barcelona works here), and you only give away a free-kick so there is a clear advantage gained.

 

[Cabinet96]

Facetiousness aside, though. I can't understand how you could want to see a red given for that and yet wouldn't when it's in the box?

Accidental fouls in the box that deny goalscoring opportunities always result in goals though. It's not really denying a goal scoring opportunity if you let them take a free kick from 12 yards with no defenders anywhere. It's completely different to a deliberate foul when a player is through on goal, which results in a free kick with 15+ players behind the ball suddenly.

 

[sledger]

Aw ****, I think sledger's right

The way I see it, in order for a player to be sent off for doing what Nastasic just did, the rule would have to be that you'd get a red card if you "denied the opportunity to create a chance which could have lead to a goal-scoring opportunity". Which sounds like a recipe for disaster/controversy to me.

 

[Furball]

Well you can't make a rule based around how much pace a player has can you? If goal scoring opportunity is defined by who the player with the ball is then nobody would ever get sent off for it against us unless they took Ryan Lowe down

Facetiousness aside, though. I can't understand how you could want to see a red given for that and yet wouldn't when it's in the box?

Referees obviously don't base it on players seeing as Arteta got sent off for bringing down Chamakh.

 

[GIMH]

Can see both sides of the wider debate but I agree with Uppercut on the red in the box thing. Deny a clear goalscoring opportunity in the box and they get a clear goalscoring opportunity anyway, so what you've done is actually not deny a clear goalscoring opportunity at all. Deny a clear goalscoring opportunity on the half way line (the Torres example vs Barcelona works here), and you only give away a free-kick so there is a clear advantage gained.

I get the logic behind it but there is no way a player should be individually penalised less when it's a penalty. It's their own stupid fault.

 

[Cabinet96]

I get the logic behind it but there is no way a player should be individually penalised less when it's a penalty. It's their own stupid fault.

What about whether it's deliberate or not?