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***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14

Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Three wickets and one of them a run out. What a horrific odi team we have right now. Only have three good players really.
 
KiWiNiNjA

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
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MJ Guptill	2009-2014	83	81	9	2843	189*	[B]39.48[/B]	3483	81.62	5	18	6	282	56
LRPL Taylor	2006-2014	136	124	17	4226	131*	[B]39.49[/B]	5147	82.10	9	26	7	348	100
KS Williamson	2010-2014	53	48	6	1611	145*	38.35	2058	78.27	3	10	4	125	12
Taylor, finally better than Guptill.
 
Burgey

Burgey

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I think NZ's attack will cause India a fair bit of strife in the test series too. Wouldn't be surprised if the hosts take it, but they'll need a couple of blokes to stand up with Taylor.
 
hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
KiWiNiNjA said:
Code: 
MJ Guptill	2009-2014	83	81	9	2843	189*	[B]39.48[/B]	3483	81.62	5	18	6	282	56
LRPL Taylor	2006-2014	136	124	17	4226	131*	[B]39.49[/B]	5147	82.10	9	26	7	348	100
KS Williamson	2010-2014	53	48	6	1611	145*	38.35	2058	78.27	3	10	4	125	12
Taylor, finally better than Guptill.
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don't want to get into this argument again, but try looking at Taylor's early innings strike rate vs Guptills. It will be like comparing Kohli with Chris Martin.
 
Arjun

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
OverratedSanity said:
Nah... You just cannot argue with the results he's produced over the last year or so. We don't need him to take wickets. In fact if we'd had better seamers, we'd definitely have got a couple of wickets in the middle overs. Instead when Jadeja and Ashwin were keeping things tight and they couldn't store off them, they just decided to see them off because they knew the seamers would release pressure. You are clueless about Jadeja tbh. He's vital to our odi team
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Since you prefer to pick players more because of reasons other than performance, here's why I don't believe he's any good. He's taken a paltry 113 wickets in 95 games. Compare those figures with those of less fancied bowlers like Stuart Broad, Lopsy, Clint McKay, Junaid Khan, McClenaghan, Kyle Mills or Southee. All of them have reached their milestone a lot sooner. Even Ishant, everyone's favourite punching bag and an ex-favourite player of mine, has reached his 100 wickets a lot sooner than Jadeja's 85, dubious as the figures are, and Ashwin, three short of his hundred, will get it a lot sooner.

He's been hyped up as 'vital to India's ODI team' only because of one honeymoon season beginning with an ODI series against Pakistan and ending with that ODI triangular in the West Indies. Outside that, he's got an average touching 40, a strike rate over 40, and stays only because of his passable economy rate. After that, in his last 21 games without a break, he's averaged 40, striking one every 50 and his economy rate is rising- only to be pulled down by a flash-in-the-pan figure. We can understand someone who's struggling with figures after 30, 40, or in Ishant's case, 50 games, but Jadeja has played over 90 games and still doesn't have a strike rate good enough.

Then look at his home/away breakup. Can't get more dreadful than that. Still vital to the ODI team? Maybe in internet jokes. What results? Even Yuvraj Singh had far better results, with bat and ball, for three years until a little after the World Cup. And he bowled with less protection, under more pressure.

Since you blame the seamers, whose legs everyone loves to pull, do keep in mind that Jadeja bowls with loads of protection, unlike them. Even Ashwin doesn't get that much cover. Merely seeing off overs doesn't help out- if wickets were taken, there wouldn't be much to take advantage of in the final overs. Much of the final overs' horrors are set up by long spells of mediocrity where spinners fail to get the breakthroughs. If Jadeja was sent into the same furnace as the seamers, he wouldn't last one over. Taking wickets makes a difference. None of Jadeja, Ashwin and Bhuvneshwar are up to it. As an India fan, it irks me no end when they persist with mediocrity, largely because of that one exceptional performance a season, and continue losing series after series just to sustain them.
 
Blocky

Blocky

Banned
How are NZ ranked 8th when they have ODI series wins against RSA, India and England in each of their last ODI series?
 
Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
Ross Taylor just keeps on getting better lately

Before he was captain (pre2010-2011)
Tests: 2221 @ 41.12
ODI: 2613 @ 35.79

While he was captain (approx 2010-2011)
Tests: 1047 @ 49.85
ODI: 795 @ 46.76

Since he was captain (01 Dec 2011):
Tests: 866 @ 72.16
ODI: 818 @ 48.11

We need to put Taylor under even more pressure. Someone to hold Martin Guptill hostage at gun point during the Test series IMO.
 
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