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***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Nah we only made 271, but were gifted a few by D/L for having so many wickets in hand
not gifted, tbh. 271 to 297 is prety reasonable, IMO.

To get to 271 off 42 overs with the hope of an 8 over launch, you need to be presented with Ishant Sharma and R Ashwin bowling in the powerplay. That makes the score possible.

If not, you need an ATG batting lineup. Which this Indian lineup isn't far away from, tbh. Just not quite there.
 

Daemon

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a) it's harder to chase a big score than it is to put it up

b) NZ's whole game plan revolves around their hitters hitting out, and their bowlers being the very good bowlers they are.

Obviously, India have good chasing batsmen. But the relative strengths of the team meant that as soon as this score was posted, NZ should have been favourites.
I wasn't talking about this game in isolation, and the post you quoted off OS wasn't either. What he was trying to say is that Dhoni and Kohli are being left with too much to do, and the others need to step up more and perhaps a shuffling of the order (Rahane and Rohit swap, I disagree fwiw) might help.

I don't see what's being so 'insanely positive' about that.
 

karan316

State Vice-Captain
Dhoni's concession speech was interesting. An expert analysis but inwardly focussed. I havn't given too much thought as to whether Duckworth lewis gave us an unfair advantage like he claims.
In this match, DL method was (surprisingly)correct and the calculations seemed right. But yes, a lot of times, it actually gives unfair advantage to one of the teams and has been garbage.
 
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hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
I wasn't talking about this game in isolation, and the post you quoted off OS wasn't either. What he was trying to say is that Dhoni and Kohli are being left with too much to do, and the others need to step up more and perhaps a shuffling of the order (Rahane and Rohit swap, I disagree fwiw) might help.

I don't see what's being so 'insanely positive' about that.
I don't necessarily disagree.

When we look at Dhoni and Kohli's records, it's generally pretty ****ing intimidating. And then you throw in a batting order that isn't intellectually disabled.

What I'm saying is that Dhawan and Sharma and Rahane and Raina are pretty good in terms of international standards. Switching them around a bit might yield positive results. Certainly in the case of Raina and Ishant Sharma there are weak points.

There are definitely better ways that India could've gone about this.

I'm just not sure it would've yielded success.

They need to concede less runs.
 

OverratedSanity

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This is insanely positive. As godlike as Dhoni and Kohli are, you're asking way too much of them. You're talking a 297 chase in 42 overs ffs. That's extremely difficult. That's nearly impossible.
And yet we came close, even with the top order not doing much. What does that tell you?

You're asking for an ATG batting order.
We've kinda got used to having one tbh
 
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OverratedSanity

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I wasn't talking about this game in isolation, and the post you quoted off OS wasn't either. What he was trying to say is that Dhoni and Kohli are being left with too much to do, and the others need to step up more and perhaps a shuffling of the order (Rahane and Rohit swap, I disagree fwiw) might help.

I don't see what's being so 'insanely positive' about that.
Yeah, this pretty much.
 

karan316

State Vice-Captain
MSD and Ishant have similar tastes,

Both love 4s and 6s, they turn matches on their head, just need 1 over to turn things around at times, and they rarely fail to make a match interesting.


 

Days of Grace

International Captain
Great win tonight. Nearly lost my **** in the supermarket when the battery in my smartphone when dead when India needed 40 off 17 balls. Got back home quick smart.

What do peeps think of the alternative commentary? I was skeptic at first but I found myself cracking up in the sports gym listening to those ****s.

Anyway, a question on the Duckworth-Lewis: if we had lost less wickets at the end of 42 overs, would the adjustment have been higher, of was it only adjusted based on our score at the rain stoppage?
 

karan316

State Vice-Captain
What's the chance of dhoni keeping the same team for the 3rd game?
It can be rephrased as "What's the chance of dhoni keeping his pets away from the 3rd game?" or "What's the chance of dhoni keeping his ego aside and selecting a proper team for the 3rd game?"
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Anyway, a question on the Duckworth-Lewis: if we had lost less wickets at the end of 42 overs, would the adjustment have been higher, of was it only adjusted based on our score at the rain stoppage?
The latter, i.e. we had complete freedom at the end. Which is the way it should be.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
It hasn't been all dreadful though. Shami and Kumar have bowled really well.

1st ODI
Shami 4/55 - 1st spell 4-0-16-2, 2nd spell (PP) 2-0-11-1, 3rd (death) 1-0-19-0, 4th spell (death) 2-0-9-1
He bowled well up front and in the batting powerplay, taking wickets in both spells. Got tonked by Anderson and Ronchi, but then came back to bowl two amazing death overs. Should have been bowled out.

Kumar 1/38 - 1st spell 7-0-24-0, 2nd spell 1-0-6-0, 3rd spell (death) 2-0-8-1
Was expensive in his first over but came back to bowl 6 overs for 17. Bowled exceptionally well in tandem with Shami at the death.

2nd ODI
Shami 3/55 - 1st spell 4-0-28-1, 2nd spell (PP) 1-0-13-0, 3rd spell (death) 2-0-14-2
A little expensive up front, got dealt to by Ryder but then got him out. Rough PP spell, but NZ had just came out after the delay and were going for it. Had another great death over taking two wickets for only 3 runs bringing NZs momentum to a halt. Even a 11 off the last was a decent result.

Kumar 1/43 - 1st spell 4-1-19-0, 2nd spell 1-0-1-0, 3rd spell (PP) 1-0-15-0, 4th spell (death) 1-0-8-1
Another good spell up front, got tonked in the one over he bowled in NZ power play, then came back and bowled a good over at the death.

Sharma has been crap and needs to go. Ashwin and Jadeja haven't really trouble NZ too much as they have generally bowled in the middle period where NZ have worked them around taking little risks, due to some good starts (and pressure being let off by Sharma)
But Shami and Kumar have been superb.
That's quite exhaustive. However, in all of that, there are a few things about the Indian bowlers I'm not too happy about. Or now that India's off the World #1 ranking, not happy at all. You've broken up Bucky's bowling in spells, and I feel across them, there's a lack of wickets- he has taken only two wickets so far. He hasn't really looked tight and stifling, but merely escaped being tonked a lot because batting sides haven't risked much. In the death overs, though, we saw Ronchi walk down the track and smash him straight, twice. That's not very encouraging for a strike bowler. In his entire career of 28 games, he's taken only 32 wickets- not enough, surely, and his average has skyrocketed into the 70s from the beginning of the Australia series. The extra wickets a bowler can take in these overs do make a difference, D/L or otherwise.

Compare that with Shami's 37 wickets in 22 games, of which 27 came in his last eleven, after his recall against Australia. I like what I've seen of Shami so far, but his economy rate is rising to Umesh Yadav levels, and he may be dropped as a consequence. I like it that he's got a very, very impressive strike rate, much better than Ishant's, bowls decently fast, and also has an effective short ball. However, he's got caned a lot on flats, which may not work out for him, though he's chipped batting sides a lot. He's also the one bowler who's actually doing very well since the Australia series began. Hopefully he'll keep bowling at this pace.

The others, though, have been poor. Ashwin's had a horror run, and as an India fan, I hope he's back in form, as he's the one decent strike spinner we've seen play for India. Jadeja's had one chance too many, and figures say it all- raw or dissected. He's crawled to his 100 wickets, while the likes of Lopsy, Broad, Anderson, Johnson, Clint, Junaid Khan (none of them all-time-great quality) have raced to their marks thereabouts, and Southee has made his mark faster in at least ten games less. He's been dreadful in his last eighteen games, and he's practically never missed a game. Hardly good enough for World #1. If he's in as an all-rounder, his batting figures are terrible (and angry fans think Rohit Sharma is mediocre), and the bottom five has seen very little action in the games he's got. I won't say anything about Ishant- other fans have done the dirty work, and he isn't immortalised on internet jokes. Of this bunch, only Ashwin can stay- the others are past it. Let's not celebrate mediocrity any longer if we want the #1 ranking back.
 

M0rphin3

International Debutant
I must admit, I thought Macca would surely lose faith in Corey tonight and bowl Williamson in that vital 3rd-to-last over. That's what I was internally yelling at Baz inside my mind anyway ........
Yeah was wondering the same. Also wondered why he didn't get to bowl at all, quite baffling tbh.
Anyway, all good in the end I guess. Corey - when it's hot it's hot I guess :)
 

YorksLanka

International Debutant
congrats to New Zealand on another good win. Their fielding didnt seem up to their usual excellent standards today or this game might have been finished earlier...Another good innings from Kohli overseas..india desperately need someone to stand up with him...
 

Binkley

U19 Captain
Great match, and a great win. I hope we can start to see performances like this a bit more consistently.

What do peeps think of the alternative commentary? I was skeptic at first but I found myself cracking up in the sports gym listening to those ****s.
I really enjoyed it. They took the commentary part of the role surprisingly seriously, and painted a very good picture of the game in between the less serious stuff. Most of them certainly seemed to know their cricket, although I did hear one of them say that a batsman can be stumped off a no-ball at one point. And the rolling long tales and anecdotes were enough to keep from girlfriend from getting too grumpy at having to endure another evening of cricket.
 

MoxPearl

State Vice-Captain
Yep I love it, was watching on sky with the sound muted and the alt commentary blaring away.

I cant do the TV coms anymore.. Ian smith has lost the plot, and doull seems to only care about getting a IPL contract.

I hope they make it a regular thing
 

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