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India, Australia, England attempt to take control of Cricket

Flem274*

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Good scientists :ph34r:
Why be a good scientist when you can learn to lie and make stuff up so well your lecturers and supervisors believe you and think you're wonderful? Last year I found out creative writing does have a place in universities after all.
 

Muloghonto

U19 12th Man
Theoretical semantics ie. actual science? Don't pretend that engineering and science are the same thing now too, **** me. Just because you have a hammer does not make everything a nail, and being able to apply a few mathematical equations does not make you capable of extending those so-called laws into unusual contexts (for example, economics to the definition of a sport) without a working knowledge of the actual logical and theoretical underpinnings of that law ie. the "theroetical semantics". You say you're only interested in applications, fine. But then don't pretend you know how to extend these concepts and claim absolute authority on the matter.

Or do you think scientists just throw letters and numbers and blackboards and see what sticks?
If you really think that engineers lack the full theoretical understanding of the laws they apply everyday- in a capacity that incurs far more personal responsibility than your equations on the chalkboard, then i really don't have anything to say to you- except that i doubt you know much about science or engineering.

Don't mistake our focus on the practical as ignorance towards the theoretical. It simply means an adherence to the principle of 'ends justify the means' applied to scientific context, not ignorance of the end or the means.

I don't think scientists just throw letters and numbers on blackboards and see what sticks. But i do know that they are far less competent at applying the same theories in a professionally responsible and culpable capacity in the phenomenal universe. That is our domain.

Lets stop this now. I am already sounding like your typical condescending engineer and you are already sounding like a semantically driven but practically devoid theoretical scientist.
To perpetuate these intrinsic steriotypes would serve to derail the thread further.
 
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NasserFan207

International Vice-Captain
The quality of test cricket, as you well noted, should exist to serve as the highest avenue for persuit of technical and temperamental versatility and perfection in the game of cricket, for its application to the form of cricket that matters. Which is limited overs cricket.

It does not matter which form is the most complicated or is the most fun to play. Cricket is entertainment and what matters in entertainment is which product sells the best.
You choose to see 'money grabbing twit' out of the above line but to me, a product that sells the best implies fundamentally that it is also the most popular one. To any entertainment, that is the first and foremost objective- to produce a product that is the most entertaining for its audience.
stage acting is the most challenging form of acting but it doesnt get to supplant recorded acting (television/movies) as the one that matters the most.
The quality of test cricket exists for that purpose. To give it the most playtime, is to the detriment of the mandate of cricket- to entertain and deliver a product that is the most in demand.
You know, people have been predicting this stuff about test cricket ever since Kerry Packer, even before. Yet for some reason, fans still like it. In some places more so than other formats. Contrary to what you say, it still exists because people want to watch it, not any other reason, and it will continue to do so in the future.

Anyway, can we get back to discussing how India, Australia and England are all ****s plz.
 
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Spark

Global Moderator
The quality of test cricket, as you well noted, should exist to serve as the highest avenue for persuit of technical and temperamental versatility and perfection in the game of cricket, for its application to the form of cricket that matters. Which is limited overs cricket.
Under what definition of "matters" are you talking about?

It does not matter which form is the most complicated or is the most fun to play. Cricket is entertainment and what matters in entertainment is which product sells the best. You choose to see 'money grabbing twit' out of the above line but to me, a product that sells the best implies fundamentally that it is also the most popular one.
This is so wrong it kind of boggles the mind. Not everything is defined by sales and money.

To any entertainment, that is the first and foremost objective- to produce a product that is the most entertaining for its audience.
"Entertainment" is not something that can be quantified, and especially not by money.

stage acting is the most challenging form of acting but it doesnt get to supplant recorded acting (television/movies) as the one that matters the most.
And you get to pronounce stage acting as "less important" because...?

The quality of test cricket exists for that purpose. To give it the most playtime, is to the detriment of the mandate of cricket- to entertain and deliver a product that is the most in demand.
Who came up with this mandate?
 

Spark

Global Moderator
But i do know that they are far less competent at applying the same theories in a professionally responsible and culpable capacity in the phenomenal universe. That is our domain.
righteo then
 

Muloghonto

U19 12th Man
Under what definition of "matters" are you talking about?
Sales. Which has to do with popularity. The product that is more popular matters more.

This is so wrong it kind of boggles the mind. Not everything is defined by sales and money.
not everything, but a marketed product, which cricket is, is most certainly defined by sales & money. The former implies popularity, which is the fundamental barometer of entertainment product.


"Entertainment" is not something that can be quantified, and especially not by money.
It can be quantified by the numbers following. A match that is followed by 5 million people has entertained humanity more than a match followed by 50 people. We are taking into consideration social definitions of these words as it pertains to the big picture, not individualist definitions of it, which are completely irrelevant to this discussion.


And you get to pronounce stage acting as "less important" because...?
Because less of humanity is interested in following it. That makes it less important to humanity.

Who came up with this mandate?
Nobody had to come up with this mandate. This is the mandate of any product thats fundamental purpose is to entertain. The product fits the purpose by simply existing, so long as it fits the definition of an entertainment product.
 

Muloghonto

U19 12th Man
Holy **** Muloghonto your posts are truly soul destroying to read, no offense.

Why do you care so much about whether cricket makes more money than other sports anyway. Aren't you a fan? Shouldn't you care about being entertained? I'd slightly understand if you worked for the ICC or something.
Because in an entertainment industry, barring very few occasional exceptions, the product that makes more money does so by being more popular. People pay fixed amounts for their cable bills, advertisements run at fixed rates per capita viewing (which is why ads in the 7pm to 9pm window are the most expensive ones in weekdays, they have the highest per capita viewing). So the direct implication of a tv product that is making more money, is that it is more popular.
The money argument is not solely pertaining to greed- its numbers are pertinent towards establishing popularity, since as i said, we all pay a fixed value per time unit to view tv and advertisers pay a fixed value, per estimated viewer at the time of the day, to run ads.
So without higher viewership, it is extremely rare to generate more money in a televised show(which includes sport).

my fundamental concern about cricket, is to grow its popularity. Not the maintanance of a particualar format of it or destruction of another format- it is simply, pertaining to popularity and survival of the fittest format for the popularity angle.
 

YorksLanka

International Debutant
absolutely disgusted by the idea..all about money and greed imho..will lead to the death of cricket in countries outside the big 4 if it goes through...
 

NasserFan207

International Vice-Captain
my fundamental concern about cricket, is to grow its popularity. Not the maintanance of a particualar format of it or destruction of another format- it is simply, pertaining to popularity and survival of the fittest format for the popularity angle.
Why the **** would that be your fundamental concern. You are a fan, not an ICC employee, Jesus.
 

NasserFan207

International Vice-Captain
Like, I would respect you more if you just said 'I find test cricket boring and dislike the jingoistic nature of international competition'. This economics garbage just makes you sound like a ****.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
Where does this idea that test cricket is dying come from anyway? I know that relying on anecdotal evidence is a fool's errand, but from my casual observation there seems to be plenty of interest in it in NZ at least.
 

Muloghonto

U19 12th Man
Why the **** would that be your fundamental concern. You are a fan, not an ICC employee, Jesus.
Because in my 40 years, I've played cricket in virtually all the formats possible- 20/20, 3 day,5 day, 50 overs and I simply care about the sport as it pertains to the mechanics of playing the sport far more than an intrinsic adherence to a particular format it is played in.
As long as the sport grows, i don't care what format it is growing in. As a player and as a fan, seeing more people interested in the sport i am, is intrinsically rewarding in itself.
 

Muloghonto

U19 12th Man
Like, I would respect you more if you just said 'I find test cricket boring and dislike the jingoistic nature of international competition'. This economics garbage just makes you sound like a ****.
I dislike the jingoistic nature of international competition, but unfortunately this is not just the bane of test cricket, but also T20 and ODI cricket as well. Which is why i stated, much much earlier, my primary wish is to see cricket move from a nationalistic format to a franchise format. I advocate marginalizing test cricket more and promoting 20/20 more, precisely for the abovementioned reason: that test cricket does not lend itself to franchising nearly as much as 20/20.
 

NasserFan207

International Vice-Captain
I dislike the jingoistic nature of international competition, but unfortunately this is not just the bane of test cricket, but also T20 and ODI cricket as well. Which is why i stated, much much earlier, my primary wish is to see cricket move from a nationalistic format to a franchise format. I advocate marginalizing test cricket more and promoting 20/20 more, precisely for the abovementioned reason: that test cricket does not lend itself to franchising nearly as much as 20/20.
You know, franchise formats in other sports are no different in terms of attitude, the jingoism is just redirected towards the clubs. I don't think its any better, in fact it may be worse. Getting your head kicked in for walking into the wrong pub in parts of Glasgow or riots in Egypt or the dumb **** which happens in the US. Jingoism is the nature of sport, franchise systems don't solve it.
 

Muloghonto

U19 12th Man
You know, franchise formats in other sports are no different in terms of attitude, the jingoism is just redirected towards the clubs. I don't think its any better, in fact it may be worse. Getting your head kicked in for walking into the wrong pub in parts of Glasgow or riots in Egypt or the dumb **** which happens in the US. Jingoism is the nature of sport, franchise systems don't solve it.
It doesn't solve it, it does significantly reduce it though. In my experience, franchise fans of the same sport are far less jingoistic than national fans of the same sport, simply because the franchise identity is a far weaker one than a national one. To give you an example, i've had far more success debating with fellow Vancouverites on whether the Vancouver Canucks suck or are awesome in a given season. Good luck talking to any Canadian on whether Team Canada Hockey team sucks or rocks on any Olympic year. Its 100% George W Bush style 'you are either with us or against us, traitor!' stuff.
 

NasserFan207

International Vice-Captain
It doesn't solve it, it does significantly reduce it though. In my experience, franchise fans of the same sport are far less jingoistic than national fans of the same sport, simply because the franchise identity is a far weaker one than a national one. To give you an example, i've had far more success debating with fellow Vancouverites on whether the Vancouver Canucks suck or are awesome in a given season. Good luck talking to any Canadian on whether Team Canada Hockey team sucks or rocks on any Olympic year. Its 100% George W Bush style 'you are either with us or against us, traitor!' stuff.
Lol, using the Canadian model to judge that on may not be wise bro. I hear you fellas are quite chill.

In my experience the attitude is the same, if not worse. At least in football/soccer it is. Supporting your team is like being part of a tribe. We're talking caveman stuff here
 

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